Pat,
makes sense to me that guys in their late teens and early twenties don't have desire to quit and stay quit....makes sense to me because i didn't "get" what the issue was here with me until i was just over 50.
lots of people quit just to get others (people and organizations and "the law) off their back.
perhaps after they have more experience like you do, more attempts at trying and relapsing, perhaps then they will have a better understanding of where they're actually AT.
you telling your own story of repeated struggling might be helpful to them there.
...that he would drink if he was not in trouble with the law.........The guy that killed someone and want's nothing with sobriety pisses me off.
yes.
but we all have read a gazillion posts here on SR where people would drink if it weren't for the consequences...seems to me just a more extreme point on that same wavelength.