I really appreciate this thread Dr. Sober. I know that sometimes with an intention to help, one can miss the mark sometimes. Sometimes you take a swing and you miss or worse bash another poor soul in the head (I'm talking myself here). I think us newbies are finding our way and sometimes we crash into reflections of ourselves..not so flattering. I know I have. We humans are a fallible bunch and well..that's life. That's probably what recovery is all about I suppose. I too can be a pompous, righteous arse in this world...petulant, demanding, two faced, whiny, selfish, arrogant, judgemental, critical..oh the list is endless. But ultimately, my wish honestly is to do no harm..but that's likely impossible. Ya..really good thread.