Originally Posted by
LazyBonez 
But the high from drugs is pretty short lived... few hours at the most... And after using over and over multiple times a day for years, you don't even get high anymore. You just get to baseline... maybe a little above baseline. And when you return to sober, you go under baseline and feel like ****... But if you stay sober and work on sobriety... you start to feel way better than you ever could from substances.
LazyBonez, your first two sentences are what I said in my post. So we are in complete agreement on those points.
Our only disagreement is that while we can feel good, even great when sober, we will rarely experience the euphoric high that a chemical substance can give us. Dee described sobriety correctly IMO when he said,
"There's a serenity I feel now that's different to that 'noone can touch me' feeling, but it's real".
A sober "high" is different. We shouldn't kid ourselves and expect that with sobriety we will walk around feeling that chemical, euphoric high we had when we first started using a particular substance. That's an unreasonable and unrealistic expectation.