IMO , they are kind of the same. I mean there is the true quacking. The downright ridiculous things alcoholics say. I also believe the cry for help is a little quack as well. He is an adult. He knows he has a problem. He has to suck it up and decide his life is worth it and take ACTION. I went thru this several times with my XAB and he is not recovered. He tried for me, for my kids. Never works. He has to figure this out.