Awesome!!
I've been hoping for such a discussion
Thanks for your great questions, soberlicious!
Speaking for myself, I'm not now, and never have been a ODAAT kinda guy. When I met up with AA, my first meeting, on a Sunday, I was still drinking, waiting for my rehab bed to open that following Wednesday. I was advised to go to the meeting, so I did. Suprise! I knew a few of the guys at the meeting because they were regulars at the bars I attended, lol. Man, they were shocked to see me there!! I left the meeting and did go to my detox and rehab a few days later.
Anyways, I'm a quit forever guy. I dont do ODAAT.
As for HP, of my own understanding, my sobriety is not contingent on my spiritual fitness... its the other way around for me... I'm spiritual because I'm a non-drinker. With booze, I'm totally agnostic, almost atheist, and have nothing but hatred for spiritual whatevers. With AA sobriety, I'm spiritual and all set with that no problemo.
As for conditions with my AA sobriety,
I do have conditions:
I must always live by and practice my AA 12 steps, as I have come to understand them, or else I will absolutely return to drinking. No exceptions for this condition. I do the steps, or I lose my AA sobriety, because my AA alcoholism is kept in remission because of my practice of the entire 12 steps.
No program, and my alcoholic mind would not long be still asleep, and when it came back on line, my present psyche would be struggling for its life against my alcoholism. If I continued to not do the entire 12 steps thereafter, I would absolutely return to drinking.
So, I've made it clear, twice over, that I would return to drinking without the 12 steps to keep my alcoholism in remission, and so then my alcoholic mind would no longer be unempowered.
I have to say, even in AA, my understandings get some serious flack over the years. Still though, here I am, still sober nonetheless
I hope we can all have a lively discussion!
