I am glad to finally find a fourm that actually is supportive community then some Ive been to to try and help with it, and not getting " negitive" comments, I know that I hurt my shelf so \i can focus on the outside pain so I dont have to deal with the inside, but, I am slowly learning how to cope possitivly, but its not something thats goign to change over night thanks for all the tips and knowing thwt others are in the same spot