I'd dearly like to clarify something re what could be taken as an inference about AA / AVRT: I have DEEP respect, big time, for some members, esp those like RobbyRobot and probably others whose names I forget right now, who are indeed highly engaged, intelligent, will discuss stuff without sloganeering and so forth.
God, it's quite a minefield, this whole 'getting off the grog' thing. Anyway, that's by the by, and quite a different topic.
Main thing is, thank God/desses or whatever for SR.