I’m not putting you down with this Ken, but this statement:
Originally Posted by
Weasel1966 
My heart hurts so bad.
No one knows how bad.
is completely wrong. I’m willing to guess almost everyone here knows EXACTLY how bad you hurt.
I personally (that means these are my thoughts only) think we all get to that dark place a bit differently, but once there we’re pretty much all the same.
As for getting out of it, that too is individual.
I personally do not use a “program”, SR and emails are as close to face to face as I get (and I like it that way
). The biggest thing FOR ME, was not only accepting the fact that I was done with alcohol FOREVER, but I was okay with that choice. Making that decision put me at peace. Others who use programs call it all kinds of things, but in the end FOR ME it simply was a choice, a choice I was happy, and content with.