Arguably, the Newcomer's forum may not be the best place for the latter half of this thread, but I will never understand this need to clamor for shutting down discussion from some people. RR does not object to criticism, and actually welcomes it. They have routinely published "Objections to Rational Recovery" on their web site, and in the Journal of Rational Recovery. Their greatest contribution to the addictions field may indeed be this openness to criticism. They were the first organization to provide a large-scale, non-12-Step recovery model, against substantial odds, and I very much doubt any of the 'AA alternatives' would even exist today were it not for the work they did, and for their insistence on open discussion.