Originally Posted by
EricL 
...what it does say, fairly clearly I always thought, is that we are deeply flawed people...
I'm an alcoholic and I don't consider myself a deeply flawed person. I started drinking at 13 years old and drank for 20 years until I went to an OP rehab for 9 months to get sober.
If they had told me at the outset I was a deeply flawed person and needed to find god to remove my defects I doubt I would be sober today.
I don't see how telling someone trying to get sober that they are a deeply flawed human being is helpful.