Originally Posted by
eddie73 
... My isms are the problem here, it is not the alcohol.
So true in my experience. I suffered from the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse when I was drinking and 2 + 2 Horsemen of the Apocalypse when I stopped drinking. Suffering was my problem in both circumstances. People who do not have the ISM of alcohol-ISM will never understand that.
I had to find a whole new way of life that dealt with suffering before sobriety was worth having. That's why I had to use a spiritual solution. Every other method I tried allowed the 4 Horsemen to stay with me.