Originally Posted by
Isaiah 
And I would be very, very cautious about people who tell you to keep drinking until you hit bottom. They are out there, and their idea is utterly nonsense and dangerous.
Hmmm, this is pretty much the direction given in AA's 12th Step for the person who is unwilling to pursue the course of spiritual action. It's been working for a long time now.
I've worked with a lot of drunks and newcomers. By and large, it's a waste of time to continue working with someone who hasn't surrendered. I have yet to persuade someone to get real and do the work when they still think they can manage their problem. Booze does a much better job of convincing them.
My perspective on this changed a lot after I'd done some intensive work with other alcoholics for a few years.