Originally Posted by
Dee74 
Hi Harry
Good to see you
I'm not in any programme, so all I can say is for myself I wasn't 'clean and sober' until I stopped trying to run away from reality by altering my mind - for me that meant putting down the weed as well as the booze
is taking the chip important to you?
D
I agree with Dee. Last year when I was trying to recover again. I found out that using other substances like pot would substitute for drinking. I could go weeks without drinking when I was using pot. But, In my eyes being Sober and Clean would be not using any substance or abusing any substance.