Originally Posted by
dgillz 
There is a saying in AA, "We have to surrender to win". Sounds hokey but I have found it to be true.
dgillz, SO true! Are you familiar with Dr Harry Tiebout?
He played an integral role during the early part of AA's growth and wrote what have become known as The Tiebout Papers.
Do an internet search or let me know & I'll get the info to you, very informative & important info for us!