Thank you so much everyone. I always feel so much better when I come back here and know that I'm not alone. It's hard for me to talk to my friends about this situation with my son...they just cant relate. So I dont. So I hold it all inside until I cant hold it anymore. I keep praying and wishing and hoping that something will open his eyes....maybe this new consequence will be it. Maybe not. It doesnt help matters that he lives with his dad who is a drinker and substance abuser also. So theres no support on that end. And so it goes...another day, another deep breath. Thank you all for listening.:ghug