Here come my 4 bits worth again. I am not working any program other than getting myself sober. For the moment Sober Recovery has been helping me, mostly because of peer support. I have practically dropped reading anything other than "Secular Connection". This is working for me. I need a little discussion, a lot of friendly support and fun. Again I say, this is working for me. What would not work for me are very heated, subjective arguments, tough love, cruelty, prejudice, and probably a few other things that I can't remember now. I have no problem with threads being closed when they might end up hurting someone. Thank-you Alera and Morning Glory for being fair, I for one would have a very difficult time discerning.