Yo... for the record, I did not call AA hocus pocus, not even on the secular forum. I was saying that programs like SMART, LifeRing, etc. are NOT hocus pocus in response to Tomas' post (his words):
Originally Posted by
Tomas 
A. Statistics will tell you that very few recover this way..The harm it does is to distract those to the real solution AA.. If the success rate in the beginnings was as high as 93%..what is the problem today...Finding THAT solution is the answer...Not these hocus pocus methods.
Q So you think all these programs are hocus pocus.?