I know what you mean- it's that trying to save thing that we do so well. I had never thought of it that way here, though. Now that you've brought it up- I'll think about it differently. On another thread someone pointed out how recovery isn't just about how we interact with the alcoholics in our lives- but in how we deal with everyone. <Duh> I know that, but forget sometimes. . . even here in cyberspace.