Hi Morning Glory
I do not see any reason to "get past" these problems in AA. The material is continuously being taught in the program and so should any discussion of the problems.
I really do not see this as a "pro or con" debate because I have yet to hear from anyone who really likes the Literatures descriptions of Atheists, but these same people are will to suggest not taking about it.
I have gave plenty of suggestions for people and the best is to simply skip some meetings after you have been sober for sometime and spend some time reading material that is more positive and proactive.
MG, I do not see myself as being negative on this, the title of this Thread is "Atheists in AA" and if you can find anything in AA material related to Atheists that is more positive then the sections that I have commented on, I would really, really like to comment and talk about it. It would make my day!
AB
Originally Posted by
Morning Glory 
Abbadun,
Is there a way you can move past the general remarks about the negatives you see in AA and work on it on a personal level? How does this personally affect you? How can you personally deal with this if you continue to choose to attend meetings? How can you move from being reactive to being proactive in your recovery? Are there things you can post on this forum that will help others in their recovery that relate to a secular approach? Are there personal requests for help that will assist you with your recovery? Are you interested in other methods of recovery that you can discuss on these threads?
If we don't get past this it turns into a constant discussion about the pros and cons of AA based on everyone's individual experience and opinions. I can't see a reason to have a never ending discussion going back and forth with different opinions being discussed. I do appreciate how respectful this discussion has been, but at some point it would be helpful to move on and find some positive solutions. I am not a member of a 12 step program, but I've found some things from the programs that have helped me. I think I can look at these discussions from a neutral point of view.
I know there are obstacles for secular members in AA and that's probably solved on an individual basis because each person has to come to terms with it in a way that works for them.
I don't have answers. I just know that constant posts about the negatives of any program are pushing the line with the forum rules when there are only negatives without discussing possible solutions on a personal level.
Thanks,
MG