By the way,...Steve58,....there was nothing harsh or judgemental about my post. I stated FACT. What I posted is the 'rule' in Alcoholism as it pertains to our family and friends. A few cases here or there otherwise, do not change the rule. They are the exception. Exceptions PROVE the RULE. It being the RULE, means MOST times what I outlined in this threads beginning post WILL happen. Ask your mother, father, girlfriend or any one else in your life what THEY would think of you if you were an alcoholic and wanted to "try" and drink socially or moderately. You will find I am dead-right.