The Wizard of Oz
Redmayne
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Manchester, England, UK.
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jdooner.
In don't mind you airing your views in your post. To which your perfectly entitled, as much as others are entitled to respond with constructive comment or criticism.
I do object to your personal abuse in calling me myopic and judgmental, neither of which are constructive along with your telling me how to live my life both in recovery and sobriety...
I do stand by my christian beliefs, believing in the god of my understanding enhanced by fundamental Buddhist philosophy ...
Found in the Four Noble Truths and The Eightfold Noble Path..
On that basis, where you got the idea that I don't think Buddhism helps anyone in recovery. I've no idea, but whilst it suggests you refrain from those things that cause suffering, like sexual promiscuity, alcohol and drugs. I've never actually heard of it helping anyone get into recovery.
That's not to say, that's never happened....
I suppose a carefully worded apology, not to me, but to others using this forum would be out of the question...
I do object to your personal abuse in calling me myopic and judgmental, neither of which are constructive along with your telling me how to live my life both in recovery and sobriety...
I do stand by my christian beliefs, believing in the god of my understanding enhanced by fundamental Buddhist philosophy ...
Found in the Four Noble Truths and The Eightfold Noble Path..
On that basis, where you got the idea that I don't think Buddhism helps anyone in recovery. I've no idea, but whilst it suggests you refrain from those things that cause suffering, like sexual promiscuity, alcohol and drugs. I've never actually heard of it helping anyone get into recovery.
That's not to say, that's never happened....
I suppose a carefully worded apology, not to me, but to others using this forum would be out of the question...
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Join Date: Jul 2013
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Redmayne - I quoted your comments that Buddhism never helped anyone in recovery. Again, you state it here. It is my opinion that this view, your view is: 1) judgmental, 2) myopic, and 3) naive.
You have made up your mind here and generalizing all Buddhists - this is judgmental.
You have a one dimensional view form an opposing religion - myopic.
I believe (my opinion) that this perspective is not based on a wide sampling of evidence = naive.
I am not attacking you personally. When you make a statement that generalizes though own the words.
You are entitled to your opinion and I don't believe you are your opinion. But if your opinion is the World is flat when all evidence suggests otherwise, I am going to suggest that that view is very one dimensional on a very limit perspective, which is precisely what I have done here. This is critical in a recovery forum, as you are making statements as facts but this myopic perspective is just one part of the elephant that we call addiction. You might be right in what the trunk looks like but fail to describe the legs, torso, head belly etc. I am providing a perspective that is broader.
You then call out psychoanalysis as "fairy tales" and a delusion. That is fine - its your opinion. I happen to also disagree with this but I did not call you out on it. I find it funny that you are upset by my comments, lol?
Why don't we agree to disagree though, as I don't think banter back and forth will do anyone any good?
You have made up your mind here and generalizing all Buddhists - this is judgmental.
You have a one dimensional view form an opposing religion - myopic.
I believe (my opinion) that this perspective is not based on a wide sampling of evidence = naive.
I am not attacking you personally. When you make a statement that generalizes though own the words.
You are entitled to your opinion and I don't believe you are your opinion. But if your opinion is the World is flat when all evidence suggests otherwise, I am going to suggest that that view is very one dimensional on a very limit perspective, which is precisely what I have done here. This is critical in a recovery forum, as you are making statements as facts but this myopic perspective is just one part of the elephant that we call addiction. You might be right in what the trunk looks like but fail to describe the legs, torso, head belly etc. I am providing a perspective that is broader.
You then call out psychoanalysis as "fairy tales" and a delusion. That is fine - its your opinion. I happen to also disagree with this but I did not call you out on it. I find it funny that you are upset by my comments, lol?
Why don't we agree to disagree though, as I don't think banter back and forth will do anyone any good?
voices ca**y
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: St. Paul Minnesota
Posts: 4,359
It helped me. If I would have figured it out 2 months ago that would have been great. I was taught early on by a religion that I could not trust myself. Anything that originated anywhere but from them was from Satan. That included my own thoughts. Like Glenda the good witch said "she had to learn it for herself".
The song TinMan was posted on a women's thread. That got me thinking and lead me back to this thread.
Most of my healing has come in the form of music or stories. I especially like to think about each one of us playing the part of Andy Dufresne in our own story.
PS reading Jung right now and loving it.
The song TinMan was posted on a women's thread. That got me thinking and lead me back to this thread.
Most of my healing has come in the form of music or stories. I especially like to think about each one of us playing the part of Andy Dufresne in our own story.
PS reading Jung right now and loving it.
Redmayne
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Manchester, England, UK.
Posts: 1,543
JDooner
Of course one of the problems I have with you and those things you expound is that other than your user name, which is fictitious, you don't exist.
You provide no sobriety date or location, and there's nothing entered on your user profile.
The email address you provided when registering with the site is of little value in terms of providing proof or your existence, either.
Evidencing he fact that you've little or no credibility as a person of any status, now given you know little or nothing of those things you expound on and have us all believe are based on any ability to think cognitively (truth and reason).
Lacking evidence of both these qualities, present in most people, drunk or sober, how are we then expected to take notice of. Never mind believe, anything you say...
You provide no sobriety date or location, and there's nothing entered on your user profile.
The email address you provided when registering with the site is of little value in terms of providing proof or your existence, either.
Evidencing he fact that you've little or no credibility as a person of any status, now given you know little or nothing of those things you expound on and have us all believe are based on any ability to think cognitively (truth and reason).
Lacking evidence of both these qualities, present in most people, drunk or sober, how are we then expected to take notice of. Never mind believe, anything you say...
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Australia
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Redmayne - people are only required to share here what they feel comfortable with....that goes with personal details too.
If you can't engage with the argument without the personal details you require, thats fine - there's lots of other threads to post upon.
Similarly if you can't agree with the premise of the thread, it's fine to move on and find other people to help
Alternatively, you and JD can take this to PM.
Please, lets all get back to the topic.
Fair warning, from here on in, off topic or combative posts will be removed.
It's not fair to those people who genuinely want to explore this topic.
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Originally Posted by rule3
Do not post offline personal contact information (ie. your home address, phone numbers, email address etc.) and do not ask for personal information from others
Similarly if you can't agree with the premise of the thread, it's fine to move on and find other people to help
Alternatively, you and JD can take this to PM.
Please, lets all get back to the topic.
Fair warning, from here on in, off topic or combative posts will be removed.
It's not fair to those people who genuinely want to explore this topic.
Originally Posted by rule 4
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Originally Posted by silentrun 
It helped me. If I would have figured it out 2 months ago that would have been great. I was taught early on by a religion that I could not trust myself. Anything that originated anywhere but from them was from Satan. That included my own thoughts.
I thought she was giving us a homework assignment, always was an overachiever…
.Sorry Dee, just read your off topic post, I didn't mean to go out of bounds, lord knows I spent enough time in detention.
quat
Join Date: Jul 2013
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love that song"..Oz never did give nothing..." lyrically and otherwise. Morale wise it left me lacking, if he didn't ,why didn't the dumbass see it?
Maybe he did giv'em all something, like an objective perspective, maybe good objective analysis psych or not can help. Heck maybe some could it for themselves , without the Wiz, but it probably takes the courage of brutal self honesty. My 2
Maybe he did giv'em all something, like an objective perspective, maybe good objective analysis psych or not can help. Heck maybe some could it for themselves , without the Wiz, but it probably takes the courage of brutal self honesty. My 2
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haha Resolute - assume you are joking. Psychoanalysis is not for everyone. However, I find the exercise of critically thinking and using literature and film as a medium to grow beyond the obvious into the abstract helpful to relate to the Real World. Hitchcock was wonderful at using Film as Art.
Catcher in the Rye, Death of a Salesman, even contemporary Media can be used.
Catcher in the Rye, Death of a Salesman, even contemporary Media can be used.
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