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Nallabelle 08-17-2009 02:57 PM

I have to ask though, does he act different when he comes out of the bathroom? if so, how? that might give experienced crack/cocaine users a better clue to solve the mystery (i realize it doesnt REALLY matter what he's using, im just saying..._)

Butterfly14 08-17-2009 03:32 PM

He doesn't seem terribly different.....i mean it isn't like he turns into someone else when he comes out...he just seems awake and ready to roll.....the first time i noticed these bathroom trips was about 6 weeks ago when we were at a friend of his house and this is a guy we had all hung out with many times ....i didn't know when we went that day but this guy is a drug dealer....when we went to his house i saw 2 guys come in and the guy who lived there went to the back of the house with them and the guys then left. After that I was playing with the dogs and talking to one of the guys who lived in the house and my BF then went into his bathroom and was in there awile,,,fan on and water running.......when he came out he said oh don't go in there i really stunk the place up and he closed the guys bathroom door and left the fan running....his eye was bloodshot and he was very jumpy i noticed a definite change in him that day. I confonted him when we got out to the car and said what is that guy doing in there selling drugs my BF looked surprised that i guessed that and said well yes he sells percocets and I said why were you in the bathroom so long he said i had to go to the bathroom that is all and i said well you seem different since you came out... well with that he got angry and we were supposed to go to dinner instead he dropped me off at my house and left. He called later that night saying all sorts of mean things and threatening to file charges against me for accusing him of doing drugs I was like what...he was acting goofy i hung up the phone and went to bed. i didn't hear from him for a week after that epsode. I called him all week and he never picked up. When he finally did pick up he said i needed to stop accusing him of doing things he wasn't doing and i said if you are in recovery why are you hanging out with this guy who is selling percocets and god knows what else...he siad we have been friends forever and he would never give me any drugs in fact he looks out for me like a brother. You would think i woudl have known then he was full of BS but i went along and we got back together after that and that is when he started to do the bathroom thing at my house when he was here....he started this about a month ago....again we dont' live together so it is easier for him to decieve me since he isn't here all the time he coudl have been doing this all along but since he isn't living here i woudln't know. I hope this gives you more idea of what is going on...also, he has no money and works a very good union job...that makes no sense to me. he is living home with his family at 41 with a crappy truck....he has no kids so the money must be going somewhere??? It can only be drugs in my mind nothing else makes sense. especially since he has a past history of coke addiction.

Aysha 08-17-2009 04:29 PM

Crack stinks. It does have an odor. Even when not smoking it. But you would have to be smelling it right under your nose to smell it not burning. I agree with Ex-D ..Smells like burnt rubber or sometimes like a kerosene type smell. And the smokey dingy smell that clings to your clothes. Long time crack use can lead to brochial conditions. I use to call mine the crack cough. After being up for days I would do nothing but cough alot. Its hard to breathe and the cough is very flemmy and gross sounding.
I have been smoking the crap for 16 yrs. And still cant stand the smell of it.
Classic water running and crap like that. Hiding sounds. Sometimes smell. I guess some addicts believe that water will disolve the smoke.
Being gone for days and coming home looking and smelling like you just rolled out of a gutter. Which basiclly I did do every time I was returning home after being gone for days.
But assume all you want. Assumptions will just drive you crazy.
I suggest you find out for sure anyway possible. You dont need an addict on your hands.

Aysha 08-17-2009 04:35 PM

I just want to add..That if he is smoking crack..Look at his hands. Does he have callouses on his thumbs? From lighting the lighter alot? Hands are a sure tell tale of crack use. Small cuts in the palms. Black and dirty hands and fingernails. If it is powder..All I can say is if he is having a sinus cold that wont go away. That would be a way to tell if he is snorting it. My nose ran 24/7 when I use to snort it.

Nallabelle 08-18-2009 05:49 AM

Yeah I mean like you said you havent talked to him in a week or whatever but if it were me I would want to know. I mean for closure or something. Have you ever spend like a weekend away somewhere with him? That would give you a clue. Buy one of those home drug test and see if he will take it.

change4penny 08-18-2009 06:36 AM

Chiynita is right....look at his thumbs to see if there are calloused....that's from flicking a lighter.

Butterfly14 08-18-2009 06:39 AM

He would not take a home drug test,,and at this point who knows when i will hear from him again it's already been a week....and we broke up last time we talked so i may not hear from him again.....but even if i ask him i doubt he will tell the truth anyway he always denies using so i don't think I will get anything out of him. I would like to know for closure but it is highly doubtful i will ever find out the truth.

Butterfly14 08-18-2009 06:41 AM

I will look at his thimbs if i ever see him again...but he works with his hands so he can always say the callous came from that...believe me he would always think of a good excuse!!!

Nallabelle 08-18-2009 06:54 AM

Yes. We addicts can lie ourselves out of anything. ANYTHING. So much so that it will convince the non-addicts in our lives that they are the crazy ones.

Butterfly14 08-18-2009 09:55 AM

Yes Nallabelle,,,My BF always, always turned the tables and made everything about me and my issues....according to him he has no issues and every fight and every problem that has occured is my fault....he really believes this....when we went to the counselor afterward he said he was glad he went and he can be there for me......the nerve of him....i just shook my head...amazing. Not to say that i dont' have issues becuase i do... but it is almost comical how with all of his issues he can only focus on mine.....

I can't blame it all on him though...It is my fault for doubting my thoughts and feelings and allowing him to convince me of things when i had serious doubts that he was clean. One thing I have learned from this experience....is to really trust my intuition....if i see or feel things are off I need to stop, slow down take my time till things become more clear.....In this case i jumped right on the band wagon with him and we were in a whirlwind courtship in no time.....The next man that i meet and go out with I am going to go very slow and if I see red flags stop and address them right then and there and if i still dont' feel comfortable i need to step back and seriously evalute before going further. Also, I will not date any more addicts who are not sober and WORKING a recovery program,,,That I have promised myself after this!!!!

Aysha 08-18-2009 05:40 PM

And honestly..All that right there what you just said. Is all that matters.
I know wanting to know for sure would possibly bring closure. But if your done with him. Then just be glad. And move on.
And be very thankful you didnt get sucked in more than you did.
I would still keep close guard of everything tho. Seriously.

Butterfly14 08-18-2009 05:51 PM

Thank You Chiynita, Yes that is all that matters. It is natural to want to know all the details but in the end it won't change the outcome..regardless if it's crack or cocaine the bottomline is i can't and won't be with him in his addicition.

Thank you so much to all of you what a great community of people here!!!

CleanandSober44 08-19-2009 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by Butterfly1114 (Post 2333544)
He spent a lot of time in the bathroom with the water running and the fan on. He always carried water with him as well. I thought this was all strange but he always had excuses that sounded feasible. He was in the bathroom so long becuase he wasn't feeling well etc. etc. The couhing could be becuase he smokes ciggarettes and if he was using crack that would explain it. He also had no libido and was very tired and broke after these "disappearing acts" . During these binges he would be incredibly mean to me and call and say horrible things....then when he was okay again it was like a different person very loving and sexual. We are broken up now and have had NC for the past week I am scared now that I know i am most likely dealign with a crack addiction. I have never used any drugs other than an occasional drink so when i would question his behavior he would create arguements and blame me which at times I questioned my own sanity he could be so convincing that I was the problem..I was overly suspicious I was overreacting etc. etc. I am staying away and will not contact him but I am fearing now for my own health reading about some of the horrors that can go on with this addiction. I am certain he is using and it seems like crack from what i am reading but again i can't be totally sure which one it is at this point,,,but in the end it doesn't really matter i just need to stay away.

My opionion is that hes shooting it. You say he carries water with him into the bathroom? Look on his arms or other parts of his body for track marks

Butterfly14 08-20-2009 03:20 PM

No he doesn't carry water into the bathroom with him he is always drinking the water. he does run the water in the bathroom though. I really hope he is not shooting because that is even worse but who knows. It is very scary given all the diseases that go with shooting needles.


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