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Old 07-28-2006, 03:58 PM
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Marte, don't you think that hate is a waste of time and energy? It is so harsh. You may dislike AA, not believe in it, but why hate? I say let it be and move forward and leave the hatred behind. For claiming to be an humanist, it seems you are lacking in concerns, interests and the welfare of humans who choose a different belief system than your own. What would motivate someone to hate a program that saves lives?
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Old 07-28-2006, 04:00 PM
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Has anyone who considers themself an atheist or pagan on this site ever gone to AA? I have been sober for 44 days, and I think I am going to make my first attempt at going tonight. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions. I know that you are supposed to take what you seem is prevalent and leave the rest, but does anyone have any more advise? Thanks.
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Old 07-28-2006, 04:39 PM
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spirituality is non congregational. i once considered my self an atheist, and A.A> worked for me. now i see that i am just defiant. i defy god alot. so i must believe in him/ her/it.
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Old 07-28-2006, 04:45 PM
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'Hate' is the word I choose for expressing my feelings about my personal experiences with 12 step programs, I am not saying AA/Na prolly does a lot of good for many ppl. And I hated it mostly cuz of my atheism/humanism, but yes it goes for me personally.

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Old 07-28-2006, 04:53 PM
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Hatred corrodes the vessel in which it is stored.
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Old 07-28-2006, 04:56 PM
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Yes Morning Glory, I considered myself to be an atheist, and I went to AA. What did I learn? That there is more wisdom in AA than there is in me even though I had deluded mysefl otherwise, and if I opened my ears and shut my mouth it was all willingly and freely given with no religious strings attached. I learned that my atheism, though sophisticated and complex, was an egotistical affectation. I leanred that I could live better. I learned so much that I don't have the words for.
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Old 07-28-2006, 04:59 PM
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Thank you Paul. That was **** ma's original post.

I just want to make sure we are addressing the thread starter.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Blake
NA is a "spiritual, not religious program" it's very clear about it in the literature
What does the literature say the distinction is?
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:45 PM
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I learned that my atheism, though sophisticated and complex, was an egotistical affectation.
So, not believing in God is a character defect?
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:46 PM
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DK

this is from the old preamble of AA

We feel that each person's religious views, if any, are his
own affair. The simple purpose of the program of
Alcoholics Anonymous is to show what may be done to
enlist the aid of a Power greater than ourselves regardless
of what our individual conception of that Power may be.
I think it would've been great if they had kept it, although the sentiment is still very much the same - and certainly in the UK, where I have never heard a meeting end with the Lord's Prayer, though I understand it's pretty widespread in the US (and if I was at a meeting where they did do it, I would recite along with gusto!).
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:48 PM
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Doorknob said:

So, not believing in God is a character defect?
LOL, you and I have touched on this one before, I think.

~believing in G*d isn't a character defect. Believing that one IS G*d is a character defect!
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:52 PM
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I believe that I am most likely worm dirt.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:55 PM
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I'm not sure what to do with that one DK......
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:57 PM
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Atheists don't believe they are what they don't believe in.
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Old 07-28-2006, 06:09 PM
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I'm afraid they do.

You're a fan of David Hume. He also said "any man who makes a study of religion, regardless of his conclusions, is a religious man".

Pride - defined as "putting one's self on a level with God" - is a medieval way of describing an egotistical condition. This condition has many manifestations - grandiosity or self-pity, self-righteousness or chronic uncertainty, excesses of fear or of anger - the list goes on and on. What they have in common is an overinlfated sense of self. Self-obssession. The individual ceases to remember the functional truth - the universe doesn't need us to endure, but we need the universe.

To believe that you know the nature of the universe is to believe as a God. That's Pride.
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Old 07-28-2006, 07:08 PM
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I don't believe I know the nature of the universe, and I don't make a study of religion. To me, it's all mythology, and I'm not particularly interested. If the predominate addiction support groups were secular, there would be no issue, and no need for this discussion.
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Originally Posted by doorknob
I believe that I am most likely worm dirt.
You will go far and learn much in life. From that perspective, you can only grow and rise up. You are on a wonderful journey of recovery DK.
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Old 07-28-2006, 07:30 PM
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When I stopped drinking, I guess I could say I was athiest at the time.
The princples that AA teaches towards finding recovery were given/shared with me by a strong AA leader. A God idea never came into play. When people would speak of God, I would ignore those words but hear what was being said aside from that.
I had been about 15 years alcohol free before I started my journey with the Lord. I did not become a Christian till I was 43 years old. AA had nothing to do with my choice, nor did AA influence my choice either way. As a matter of fact... life and people being people may be why I stayed away from church and God til I was 43.
AA is a good program that works to help all who will listen find a sober way of life.
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I believe in G*D and I also believe I am worm dirt.
The two are not polar opposites.

Shalom!
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Originally Posted by doorknob
I don't believe I know the nature of the universe, and I don't make a study of religion.
I do. It's exactly as portrayed on the show Futurama.
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