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Old 05-04-2013, 03:33 PM
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Secular and Sober: Beating Alcoholism without AA

Ran across this video on youtube, thought it might be appreciated here:

Secular and Sober: Beating Alcoholism Without AA - YouTube
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I found that video during my first week sober and after what would be my last AA meeting almost two years ago. I see that it has had only 56K views. I believe that many could benefit from it, so goodonya for posting the link.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:17 PM
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I watched this yesterday and appreciate you posting it.
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thank you for this, as someone who is trying to quit and wants to avoid AA.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:21 PM
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The video isn't really about recovery without AA, it's more about atheism. And I have no problem with that, but it doesn't really point the way to an alternative method other than mentioning SOS (Secular Organizations for Sobriety) at the end of the video.
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I guess it's all in one's perspective.

I do not identify as an atheist. I do however agree with her that I am NOT powerless over alcohol nor do I have to turn my will and life over to the care of God, as I understand him, in order to stop drinking.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:19 PM
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I guess it's all in one's perspective.
I think I was expecting more information on alternatives, so I was a little disappointed. Frankly, AA and the 12-steps are so persuasive and so ingrained in North American culture that I crave quality information on recovery alternatives. The video left me wanting much more information.
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Have you looked into Rational Recovery/AVRT? There are plenty of threads right here in Secular Connections and you can also google it and take the crash course.

How about SMART or Lifering?

I used the 12 step RGM for 8 years and it never sat right with me. Even though I didn't drink for 13 years I eventually picked up and drank for another five years before finding this forum and learning about RR/AVRT. It was with AVRT that everything fell into place.

What are you doing to not drink at this time?
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I've looked into AVRT and SMART. I used techniques from both. And SR has been a big help. Right now I'm basically just not drinking.

I'm a binge drinker, so stopping isn't too much of an issue. But staying stopped is a problem.

And I've not ruled out AA or a 12-step program. I'm an agnostic, not an atheist, so I do have a spiritual side. But steps 1 and 2 are problematic for me. For one I don't believe I'm powerless, and believing a power greater than myself will restore me to sanity is something I would struggle with. But I do like the idea of meeting with people going through the same issues.

But I'll work it out, of that I have no doubt. My biggest hurdler is seeing a life without ever drinking. You see, I often see myself as I was 7 years ago, when I was able to control myself when I drank. Unfortunately, those days are gone, so I stopping for good is the my best option.
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I'm glad you posted the video; it could be helpful for many people. I'm a complete non-theist in the Hitchens/Dennett/Dawkins/Harris mold. When I finally got disgusted enough with my drinking to do something about it I was prepared to do AA. But I never got that far, because I discovered AVRT. My last drink was seven months ago almost to the day. So far, I have no reason to consider AA, but I'm a big believer in doing whatever it takes to quit. If AA works for you, awesome! Do whatever you need to do to quit.

But atheism is a huge part of my self identity. Or rather, a naturalistic worldview is important to me. I'm a Bright and a non-drinker!
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Takin5, you are FANTASTIC. Another powerful tool to use to stay sober. Thank you so much.
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My biggest hurdler is seeing a life without ever drinking. You see, I often see myself as I was 7 years ago, when I was able to control myself when I drank. Unfortunately, those days are gone, so I stopping for good is the my best option.
I never experienced, "controlled drinking". From my first drink in my mid teens I was an all or nothing drinker. So, in a way, back in my teens and 20's I guess I was a binge drinker.

As I got a bit older I didn't go out much and only drank at home alone. If I did go out with others to dinner or an event I would not drink even if those with me were getting tanked. And, if I was away visiting for a week or two I didn't drink. It was my dirty little secret.

It's a personal journey but I believe for the most part a lot of us had (or ended up having) a lot of the same feelings after drinking excessively. Shame, guilt, anxiety, fear, self disgust, remorse....
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As I got a bit older I didn't go out much and only drank at home alone. If I did go out with others to dinner or an event I would not drink even if those with me were getting tanked. And, if I was away visiting for a week or two I didn't drink. It was my dirty little secret.

It's a personal journey but I believe for the most part a lot of us had (or ended up having) a lot of the same feelings after drinking excessively. Shame, guilt, anxiety, fear, self disgust, remorse....
I identify with these statements completely.

Thanks for posting the video - I do believe in God but I need to believe that I am in the driver's seat in my recovery or it doesn't work for me. AVRT has been life changing in that regard.
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I'm not sure what to believe. But, I do believe it is best for me to stay sober and AVRT sure makes it easy.
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