AA Struggler Hi All, I've been sober just over a year, and attended AA for the first few months of that. I have always struggled with AA, not the people they are lovely, just the whole 12 step thing. I did upto step 3, but at that point I felt a fraud for going any further as they really didn't relate to my beleives ... I heard in a meeting once, that you are considered a 'dry drunk' (I hate that expression) if you are not a 12 stepper, and would love to know other people's view here who are not follwing the program. Thanks all... |
Originally Posted by Sie
(Post 3750523)
I heard in a meeting once, that you are considered a 'dry drunk' (I hate that expression) if you are not a 12 stepper, and would love to know other people's view here who are not follwing the program. One can be sober in AA, one can be sober not in AA, one can be drunk in AA, one can be drunk not in AA, one can be a decent person in AA, once can be a decent person not in AA, one can be a jerk in AA, one can be a jerk not in AA... The dry-drunk thing is an example of black-and-white thinking, our way or the highway, in-groups and out-groups... Do what works for you, what is true to your own principles. If that is AA, great. If not, then great too! But keep your critical thinking, you don't have to drink anyone's kool-aid. There are other ways to get help, SMART Recovery, AVRT, lifering, etc... Might not have face-to-face meetings in your area, but that's the blessing of the internet. And plenty of other sober activities in which to meet new healthy friends face-to-face. |
Thanks for that... I just saw the reference to SMART on another thread, and there is one in my town - funnily enough, three doors down from where my wife works! Amazing! I understand totally what you say also... it was something that kind of stuck with me even though now a year on I am really finding my feet and independence ... |
Originally Posted by Sie I heard in a meeting once, that you are considered a 'dry drunk' (I hate that expression) if you are not a 12 stepper, and would love to know other people's view here who are not follwing the program.
Originally Posted by nycguy83 keep your critical thinking, |
Thanks guys... great advice... |
5/6th of your sobriety has been on your own, and you're doing fine and not drinking. I'd say forget a line a stranger once tossed off way back then and go forward in a confident and unconcerned manner. Surely many things were said that you easily disregarded, why let this one stick? |
I was in and out of AA for years with only minimal success. It never felt quite right for me either. I'm doing OK now without any program other than coming on SR every day and reading, reading, reading lol. I only post occasionally but it keeps it all fresh in my mind. I'm at my longest period of sobriety(almost 3 years) and I don't see that changing now. |
@hamabi don't know why it stuck really... could have been me thinking to myself, oh dear, is this what I have to look forward to... I do remember thinking to myself that I wasn't comfortable with them saying that... I felt very trapped... @chopperts three years is fantastic, good for you... i was make to kind of believe that you wont make it to month three without AA... i obviously now know different! |
Many of us are SR members for the sole purpose of responding to posts like yours, Sie. Term 'dry drunk' is a pejorative and dismissive term applied by some to anyone who obtains and maintains sobriety without the burden of the requirements imposed by your past program. You have taken responsibility for your own sobriety, an approach that can give you an unconditional end to your alcoholism. I wish you well. |
Originally Posted by Sie
(Post 3750523)
Hi All, I've been sober just over a year, and attended AA for the first few months of that. I have always struggled with AA, not the people they are lovely, just the whole 12 step thing. I did upto step 3, but at that point I felt a fraud for going any further as they really didn't relate to my beleives ... I heard in a meeting once, that you are considered a 'dry drunk' (I hate that expression) if you are not a 12 stepper, and would love to know other people's view here who are not follwing the program. Thanks all... Also, going to meetings only and not working the steps is called a 'free ride'. It looks like the real thing and it provides a false sense of security, but the spiritual changes don't occur, and the person drinks again, in my experience. (as a person who did this for years) There are other recovery methods out there. AA is only one of many. Good luck on your search! :) |
Originally Posted by mfanch
(Post 3750934)
Same here. AA is all about changing my beliefs. Of course the Steps didn't relate to me at all. I don't know anyone who relates to them when they first see them. My sponsor told me to stop thinking and and start doing. She said I didn't have to like it. I am still an atheist and AA worked for me because I stopped judging everything before doing it. Also, going to meetings only and not working the steps is called a 'free ride'. It looks like the real thing and it provides a false sense of security, but the spiritual changes don't occur, and the person drinks again, in my experience. (as a person who did this for years) There are other recovery methods out there. AA is only one of many. Good luck on your search! :) There were times when I thought the steps were doing me more harm than good and i started to get anxious and angry with myself for not finding a higher power. i felt a failure. I have nothing against AA or the steps, and i am truely truely happy that they work for some. Thanks all for your feedback. Sie |
Originally Posted by freshstart57
(Post 3750925)
Many of us are SR members for the sole purpose of responding to posts like yours, Sie. Term 'dry drunk' is a pejorative and dismissive term applied by some to anyone who obtains and maintains sobriety without the burden of the requirements imposed by your past program. You have taken responsibility for your own sobriety, an approach that can give you an unconditional end to your alcoholism. I wish you well. Anyways, we each have our own collective experiences... I'm not one who much agrees with blanket statements generalizing whatever. In any case there are plenty of threads already with peoples take on the term 'dry drunk'... -- they always end up inconclusive if not locked out altogether, lol. :) No worries. :) Welcome to SR, Sie. :) |
There were times when I thought the steps were doing me more harm than good and i started to get anxious and angry with myself for not finding a higher power. i felt a failure. What you bring up here is very real for many people. Thank you for broaching the subject by framing it in your own experience and by being so respectful about all programs. I hear you. |
Welcome Sie I'm going to close this thread because 12 step topics are off topic in the Secular Connections Forum. Please feel free to start a new thread on non 12 step topics. Thanks, MG |
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