Addictive Voice Recognition Technique (AVRT) Discussion — Part 4
I am mulling over this paradox:
AVRT identifies even wanting the desire to be removed as AV, because it suggests self-doubt about abstinence in the presence of desire. Or, again, The desire to be free of cravings is AV. Stating a preference for no-desire over desire is AV. Really?
AVRT identifies even wanting the desire to be removed as AV, because it suggests self-doubt about abstinence in the presence of desire. Or, again, The desire to be free of cravings is AV. Stating a preference for no-desire over desire is AV. Really?
Just as we would not be perturbed by those desires, neither are we perturbed by the presence of addictive desire. We simply recognize the desire for addictive pleasure for what it is. Since it is a sign of health, and originates from the very same part of our brain that ensures our physical survival, we do not want to remove it. That same instinct that drives us to drink/use also happens to drive us to live. If we lose that, we might not be around for very long.
Originally Posted by Rational Recovery, The New Cure, Pg 129
Addiction is a state of being, a fact of life, until you comprehend the nature of your Beast, recognize its expressions in daily life, and learn to relate to it as less than a nuisance.
To wit, having a Beast is not bad, and neither is having thoughts which are Addictive Voice. There is no need to be disturbed by either.
Apologies for beating a dead horse and not including this in my previous post, but I knew I had read this somewhere. This statement from the Rational Recovery FAQ, pertaining to anhedonic drugs intended to remove desire, should clarify the RR stance on this.
Also, apologies in general for my seemingly erratic posting style. My Internet connection to this forum is somewhat on the order of old-school unreliable dial-up, which causes some problems.
Originally Posted by RR FAQ
If you eagerly anticipate the day when a medical magic bullet will remove your desire to drink or allow you to drink without ill effect, you are experiencing your Addictive Voice.
A magic bullet? No, I am not that naive, and I accept and understand that my AV is part of a healthy brain. Nonetheless, annoying things are annoying. While I understand and accept that bees are a part of a healthy environment, I would still prefer not to be stung. This leads again to a distinction between skillful and unskillful desire, as well as skillful and unskillful suffering. This is a useful distinction here, because without it the reductio leads pretty darn quick to the absurdum.
I am enjoying the discussion, Dalek, and your considered response to my posts are most welcome. Thanks for stepping in to attempt to fill the void left by our venerable Terminally Unique. Coming along nicely.
I am enjoying the discussion, Dalek, and your considered response to my posts are most welcome. Thanks for stepping in to attempt to fill the void left by our venerable Terminally Unique. Coming along nicely.
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You guys are fascinating. I have been wanting to reply all night!
So I'm buying the bees. A preference for a smooth, easy journey through the day—to live comfortably in the presence of AV, as Dalek phrased it—is not the same as eagerly anticipating the magical disappearance of AV. Isn't RR making a nod to the basic human desire for comfort when it says we can learn to relate to AV "as less than a nuisance"?
Bearing in mind that a preference is not the same as a condition, I don't see how it meets these criteria:
So I'm buying the bees. A preference for a smooth, easy journey through the day—to live comfortably in the presence of AV, as Dalek phrased it—is not the same as eagerly anticipating the magical disappearance of AV. Isn't RR making a nod to the basic human desire for comfort when it says we can learn to relate to AV "as less than a nuisance"?
Bearing in mind that a preference is not the same as a condition, I don't see how it meets these criteria:
—Any thinking or feeling that supports, or even suggests, your future use of alcohol or drugs.
—An expression of the appetite for pleasure induced by alcohol or drugs, or the Beast.
—Any thinking or feeling that contradicts your Big Plan.
—An expression of the appetite for pleasure induced by alcohol or drugs, or the Beast.
—Any thinking or feeling that contradicts your Big Plan.
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