Addictive Voice Recognition Technique (AVRT) Discussion
Guest
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 198
Kanamit, are you applying the Big Plan to more than one thing right now? If so, how many and how is it going? If you don't mind my asking.
I'm curious to see if there's a point of breaking if you overdo it, or if it's just simply taking back your control and that's that.


Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: « USA » Recovered with AVRT (Rational Recovery) ___________
Posts: 3,680
The power of AVRT lies in its simplicity and ruthless focus on the target; it is fashioned after the same narrow, unyielding mindset driving addiction itself, only in reverse. AVRT requires a change in perspective and attitude, to be sure, and many people will be deterred by detours into pop-psychology and other feel-good activities, but if you set aside your "feelings" for a bit, AVRT will chew through everything holding you back from recovery.

The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Terminally Unique For This Useful Post: |
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Stayinfree For This Useful Post: | californiapoppy (04-17-2012),
Exploring (10-04-2011),
kanamit (10-04-2011),
Lenina (10-04-2011),
Terminally Unique (10-04-2011)
|
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: « USA » Recovered with AVRT (Rational Recovery) ___________
Posts: 3,680
Although highly simplified, this should illustrate the similarities in methodology between addiction and AVRT.
ADDICTION:
AVRT:
ADDICTION:
- I drink/use.
- If not 1. (Example: "I really shouldn't.")
- Go to 1.
AVRT:
- I never drink/use.
- If not 1. (Example: "You can have just a little, just be very careful this time.")
- Go to 1.

The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Terminally Unique For This Useful Post: |
Guest
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 364
Kanamit, are you applying the Big Plan to more than one thing right now? If so, how many and how is it going? If you don't mind my asking.
I'm curious to see if there's a point of breaking if you overdo it, or if it's just simply taking back your control and that's that.

As I mentioned it also now covers caffeine which is no big deal but it has helped massively with my diet and exercise. I deliberately set the goals lower initially as I am relatively new to this but they will be tweaked in the future. Like I said, these things are not as clear cut as to drink or not to drink.
I didn't enter into these lightly. As I mentioned in my last post they were things I struggled with for a while. You know when you get a workman in to do a job on your house and he/she turns out to be so good you say, while you're here could you do that, that and that? They do and when you leave you have that contented feeling of getting more done that you'd hoped? Well, I came here thinking I might quit drinking for a time.
I found AVRT and left with that, and more.
By the way, these weren't just other things I added arbitrarily. They all relate to the same rationale for a Big Plan. I decided it was immoral to misuse myself and those around. I guess my Big Plan is totally selfish in that it will make me into a more confidant, fitter, happier, healthier person. I appreciate AVRT in itself does not guarantee any of these things but they are the logical result of such a lifestyle change.
Thanks again everyone, especially TU.

The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to kanamit For This Useful Post: | californiapoppy (04-17-2012),
soberlicious (10-04-2011),
Terminally Unique (10-04-2011),
topspin (10-04-2011)
|
Guest
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 198
Thanks for the response kanamit! I was just curious, because I've been thinking about applying this to other areas too. Seems as though self-control and mind awareness has become a lost art in the American society in relation to many things other than just substance addiction. Seems it's easier to pick up 20 books with all different opposing theories than it is to just find the info to quit a bad habit directly and immediately.

The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to AprilMay1895 For This Useful Post: | californiapoppy (04-17-2012),
ChloeRose63 (11-24-2016),
freshstart57 (10-06-2011),
topspin (10-04-2011)
|
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: « USA » Recovered with AVRT (Rational Recovery) ___________
Posts: 3,680
To those of you who have not yet read the book, this can't be spoon-fed to you. You're not going to find many people able to teach AVRT, much less willing to do so. Most people who learn AVRT just forget all about "recovery" and get on with their lives, so it would be wise to view this thread as a free bonus, and not as a pre-requisite.
If you haven't read the book recently, do so, since you need a common frame of reference to be able to discuss it. It will cost you less than a six-pack of beer. This is no different from any other approach in that respect. SMART has its literature that you need to read, and so do the 12-Step groups. This is only logical.
You could certainly pay Jack Trimpey $1,000 for the in-person AVRT course if you really wanted to not read the book, and I'm certain that he is very good at teaching it, but come on, now.


The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Terminally Unique For This Useful Post: |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Moscow-Pullman Greater Metropolitan Area, WA
Posts: 107
Unless the disease concept becomes part of your AV, ie, "oh, well, I have a chronic, incurable, progressive, relapsing brain disease over which I am powerless, so I may as well give up trying to quit and just drink, drink, drink," then you can just forget about it entirely. If it does become part of your AV, however, it will necessarily get caught in the cross-hairs of AVRT.
Cognitive-behavioral therapies are a large class of therapies, including RET/REBT, MET, DBT, etc.. Although their approaches may differ widely, their conceptual framework are all essentially the same. They all use the awareness of undesirable thoughts (i.e., anxiogenic cognitions) to modify self-destructive actions (i.e., maladpative behavior patterns). AVRT fits this framework in the sense that it teaches the practitioner to recognize anxiogenic cognitions (i.e., the Addictive Voice) and avoid engaging in a maladaptive behaviors (e.g., drinking/using).

Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: « USA » Recovered with AVRT (Rational Recovery) ___________
Posts: 3,680
I could speculate all day about how I seem to you or how you seem to me, but that doesn't strike me as conducive to civil conversation. This a long thread and people are prone to not remembering the answer to every post in the thread. I therefore asked again to refresh others' memory. I have no ulterior motive.
BTW, "disease" has different meanings in recovery circles. Is it biological disease? Psychological disease? Spiritual disease? Sin disease? Which permutation are you referring to?
AVRT is a model of self-recovery, and cannot be "done to" someone else. If someone does not want to end their addiction, then that is that. If the time comes when they do actually want to end their addiction, then the may use AVRT to do so, but not before.

The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Terminally Unique For This Useful Post: |
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: « USA » Recovered with AVRT (Rational Recovery) ___________
Posts: 3,680
Beast talking in your head?
Post about IT, and we can expose IT.
You can then recognize IT.
Separate the Beast from everything in your life; isolate that SOB.
Once you do, IT is finished, and YOU are free.
So, go ahead, post the head noise...
You can then recognize IT.
Separate the Beast from everything in your life; isolate that SOB.
Once you do, IT is finished, and YOU are free.
So, go ahead, post the head noise...

The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Terminally Unique For This Useful Post: |
Guest
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 198
Oh head noise you want, head noise you got. lol Right now it's "April, you are so stressed out this week. Doesn't it seem silly you're forcing this abstinence thing on you this week of all weeks??? You need to relax this weekend and just let it all go. You don't have the kind of personality that succeeds at this stuff anyway, I give you a week until you're back at it." Of course it's saying it in 1st person tho.

The Following User Says Thank You to AprilMay1895 For This Useful Post: | californiapoppy (04-17-2012)
|
Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Southeastern US
Posts: 174
Not today, though, I've been furiously busy because of circumstance (after work as well as during), so I had no time for IT. I flung it aside and left it muttering somewhere at work. :rotfxko
In fact, I have more to do now...
Kanamit, I heard Fuhrman on PBS and thought he was great! I should look into it. He probably has a website.
Must scoot...

The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to SunshineSally For This Useful Post: | californiapoppy (04-17-2012),
topspin (10-04-2011)
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Moscow-Pullman Greater Metropolitan Area, WA
Posts: 107
Just want to say that I'm more or less pleased with the way this thread has turned out, and that it hasn't devolved into an orgy of ********** HUUUGGGSSS }}}}} like many other threads. :-)
If the cut-off count from other threads is any indication, I reckon we'll be moving on to "Part 2" soon...
If the cut-off count from other threads is any indication, I reckon we'll be moving on to "Part 2" soon...

The Following User Says Thank You to MickeyAnMeisce For This Useful Post: | californiapoppy (04-17-2012)
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,677
Personally, I think it is appropriate to acknowledge that a post has been read by hitting the "Thanks" button. On the other hand, if I don't want to encourage a poster to continue on in like manner, I leave it alone. Too bad there's not an "I hate this post" button. I think SR had to make a choice on how many buttons to include at the bottom of each post. If you think that "Thanks" means "I agree" or is anything other than a heads up, I think you would be wrong.
FT
FT

The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to FT For This Useful Post: |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,677
FT

The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to FT For This Useful Post: | soberlicious (10-04-2011),
topspin (10-04-2011)
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Moscow-Pullman Greater Metropolitan Area, WA
Posts: 107
I have been making relevant posts, but you seems to have picked out the one with the least content and decided to make snarky comment about my posting in general.

Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Moscow-Pullman Greater Metropolitan Area, WA
Posts: 107
Personally, I think it is appropriate to acknowledge that a post has been read by hitting the "Thanks" button. On the other hand, if I don't want to encourage a poster to continue on in like manner, I leave it alone. Too bad there's not an "I hate this post" button. I think SR had to make a choice on how many buttons to include at the bottom of each post. If you think that "Thanks" means "I agree" or is anything other than a heads up, I think you would be wrong.
FT
FT

The Following User Says Thank You to MickeyAnMeisce For This Useful Post: | Thrifty (01-15-2012)
|
I think it's a good time to start Addictive Voice Recognition Technique (AVRT) Discussion Part 2.
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...-part-2-a.html
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...-part-2-a.html

The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Morning Glory For This Useful Post: |
Currently Active Users Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)