Go Back  SoberRecovery : Alcoholism Drug Addiction Help and Information > Secular Recovery > Secular Connections
Reload this Page >

People with higher religiousity and lower psychopathology do better in AA

Blogs


Notices

People with higher religiousity and lower psychopathology do better in AA

Old 02-27-2009, 03:36 PM
  # 41 (permalink)  
mle-sober
 
mle-sober's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Golden, CO
Posts: 1,243
This thread is crazy.
mle-sober is offline  
Old 02-27-2009, 03:53 PM
  # 42 (permalink)  
Knucklehead
 
doorknob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Davenport, WA
Posts: 4,005
Originally Posted by Roadhunter View Post
I found this part of the intro to the study interesting "Religiosity, however,
is strongly and positively related with psychopathology, which
we reasoned would be negatively related to AA affiliation."

So, the premise is that those who are more religious are more likely to have mental illnesses. Personally, I would go so far as to say that many religions are manifestations of mental abnormalities. Some religions were created by mentally ill people, and many religions prey on people with mental issues to this day. I'm just surprised to see it stated as fact in this paper, and I think that in so stating this, the authors show bias from the beginning.
This also seems to mess with the conclusion of the study. The way I interpret it, AA works more for those who are religious, yet works less for those who have mental issues, and those people who are more religious are more likely to be the ones with mental issues. Seems like the two "conditions" (religiousity and pyschopathology) should cancel each-other out to a certain extent as they pertain to success in AA.
Please correct me if I'm wrong in my assumptions. No offense will be taken at any answer from which I might learn.
Although there is a positive correlation between religiousity and mental illness, there are still those who are one but not the other. Those are the individuals who were chosen for the study. I could have been one of the subjects in the 'Mismatched' group; not religious, but plenty of psychopathology.
doorknob is offline  
Old 02-27-2009, 04:28 PM
  # 43 (permalink)  
Knucklehead
 
doorknob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Davenport, WA
Posts: 4,005
Originally Posted by mle-sober View Post
This thread is crazy.
Did you read the abstract?
doorknob is offline  
Old 02-27-2009, 05:07 PM
  # 44 (permalink)  
Member
 
Eroica's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Htown, baby!
Posts: 384
Let's stop beating around the bush. Its up to AA to put forth convincing data that AA is effective, and they havent stepped up to the plate. Most likely, the people in AA who have been sober for years did it by themselves. They wised up, whether they're atheist or super fundamentalist or whatever. Is that so unbelievable?

How do you credit a program for your recovery? You're crediting YOURSELF. Thats why we say congrats to YOU, not your HP. lol
Eroica is offline  
Old 02-27-2009, 05:09 PM
  # 45 (permalink)  
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 4,682
Blog Entries: 8
You right it is one of a few crazy threads but i do love them!
yeahgr8 is offline  
Old 02-27-2009, 05:25 PM
  # 46 (permalink)  
Knucklehead
 
doorknob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Davenport, WA
Posts: 4,005
The study doesn't really evaluate the effectiveness of AA, but rather the effectiveness of 12 Step therapy, and whether religiousity and psychopathology are determining factors in it's success or failure.

Did anyone other than myself, Katie & Roadhunter RTFS?
doorknob is offline  
Old 02-27-2009, 05:36 PM
  # 47 (permalink)  
Member
 
Angelic17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Earth
Posts: 1,249
Blog Entries: 12
It doesn't matter what your religion is, One GOD for all people. We are all his children, and he loves us more than we could ever imagine. And faith is a beautiful thing. Faith is taking the first step when you can't see the stairs. A famous quote from Martin Luther King. Freedom from any kind of addiction can be attained, but only if the person wants it, and is willing to do the work. God Bless all of the struggling addicts. For addicts are the best people in the world, and the strongest. Regular people can not withstand what the addict has had to endure. Thanks for hearing me out. Angel
Angelic17 is offline  
Old 02-27-2009, 05:43 PM
  # 48 (permalink)  
Knucklehead
 
doorknob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Davenport, WA
Posts: 4,005


Thanks, Angelic. Not exactly on the topic of this thread though...

It doesn't matter what your religion is, One GOD for all people. We are all his children, and he loves us more than we could ever imagine.

Last edited by doorknob; 02-27-2009 at 06:04 PM.
doorknob is offline  
Old 02-27-2009, 05:55 PM
  # 49 (permalink)  
Member
 
Eroica's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Htown, baby!
Posts: 384
Personally, I don't think tax money should be poured into studies like these at all. (I don't know if tax payer money was used in this study, but it is in others). You might as well spend millions to see if Christianity works as a recovery method. As helpful as it might be to some or ingrained into our society, 12-step therapy has absolutely no standing in science or medicine. No scientist as a result of experimentation discovered the 12 steps. Its empirically indefensible. Unfortunately, its still marketed because its SO profitable...a lot of people try it out.

Thats why I say its up to AA and 12 step groups to gather the funds to conduct a study that can satisfy neautral parties interested in seeing who it works for. The 12-step industry has a LOT of money, friends in high places, the whole deal. It should be easy, right?
Eroica is offline  
Old 02-27-2009, 06:04 PM
  # 50 (permalink)  
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 4,682
Blog Entries: 8
A report stating that people 'high in religiosity and low in psychiatric severity' tended to get involved in 12 step tasks and relate better to the twelve step therapists, as opposed to individuals that are low in religiosity and high in psychiatric severity, from the University of Mexico, to sum it up quick like!
yeahgr8 is offline  
Old 02-27-2009, 06:16 PM
  # 51 (permalink)  
Knucklehead
 
doorknob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Davenport, WA
Posts: 4,005
Originally Posted by yeahgr8 View Post
A report stating that people 'high in religiosity and low in psychiatric severity' tended to get involved in 12 step tasks and relate better to the twelve step therapists, as opposed to individuals that are low in religiosity and high in psychiatric severity, from the University of Mexico, to sum it up quick like!
And even though they connected with their therapists, did more Step work, and attended more meetings, it didn't make any (statistically significant) difference in their drinking behavior.

Last edited by doorknob; 02-27-2009 at 06:41 PM.
doorknob is offline  
Old 03-02-2009, 11:22 AM
  # 52 (permalink)  
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by yeahgr8 View Post
Roadhunter i was taking the **** being sarcastic. I totally believe that alcoholism is a disease and totally agree that substitution is a complete waste of time to tackle any addiction.

Sorry i feel a bit bad now, don't be mad pls!
Ha! You got me there. Sorry it took so long to reply. I don't get mad.
Roadhunter is offline  

Currently Active Users Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:58 AM.