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Old 02-13-2009, 02:09 PM
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LifeRing Dogma

In ancient Greek mythology there was a roadside bandit named Procrustes who had a bed in which he forced all travelers to lie. Those who were shorter than the bed, he stretched until their bones cracked; those who were longer, he cut off their feet.

Most alcoholism and addiction programs are like Procrusted and his bed. Everyone has "The Program": one size fits all. In AA, everyone does the Twelve Steps. In Rational Recovery, everyone does AVRT. In SMART, everyone does REBT. And so on. Each vendor promises that its particular Program is the Answer. In fact, some people are helped by the Steps, some are not, and the same is true of the others. There is no such thing as one Program that works for everybody, and we doubt there will ever be.

LSR is unique in the alcoholism and addiction movement in deliberately not offering a capital-P Program. We have no Program, no panacea, no one-size-fits-all, no cookie cutter, no miracle cure, no magic pill to sell. We reject the whole dichotomy between Program and alcoholic, in which The Program is the active, knowing, healthy protagonist and the alcoholic is the passive, dumb, sick raw material to be stamped and molded into the desired shape. We think that any approach that acts on the alcoholic over time as an outside compulsion, a Program, is doomed to fail with most people most of the time.

No program, including the LSR self-empowerment approach, will work if the person doesn't have an inner desire to escape from addiction. LSR rests its entire chance of success on the encouragement and rational nurture of that desire.

We hold that each alcoholic or addict needs to construct their own sobriety based on their own experiences and needs. We think each alcoholic not only needs to, but is able to constuct his or her own personal sobriety program, if afforded the support and the tools. The work of puting a program together must be and is done by the newly recovering persons themselves, just as each of us with long-term sobriety has done it for ourselves. We have confidence in the ability of alcoholics and addicts, no matter how serious our history, to pull ourselves together with peer support. We have seen it work. Conversely, we are quite certain that we cannot get and stay sober unless we construct a sobriety program for ourselves. That is why we say that we have no one (big-P) Program; we have as many programs (small p) as we have participants.

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Old 02-13-2009, 02:23 PM
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I have tried working different programs only to find most did not fit me in one way or another all I know is the power within myself ( with the love faith and support of friends loved ones alike) gave me 613 days clean today


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I have tried working different programs only to find most did not fit me in one way or another all I know is the power within myself ( with the love faith and support of friends loved ones alike) gave me 613 days clean today


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Old 02-14-2009, 12:06 AM
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Reading that makes me REALLY wish there was a LifeRing group in my area.

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Old 02-14-2009, 12:15 AM
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More words of wisdom lost to the database error! LOL
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Old 02-14-2009, 09:45 AM
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Out of all the programs, I still like rationalrecovery the best... It makes me feel empowered that I'm a grown man and I dont have to give in to thoughts of using, or any self destructive behavior. Like, nothing bad will happen if I dont use, and the thought will pass. But if I do use...then bad stuff does happen. Nothing bad will happen if I'm occassionally sad or feeling worthless, anxious, or bored, or if I cant sleep 7-8 hours every night,. Its not easy, but that doesnt give me a right to down 12 beers. IMO Humans have endured these hardships for thousands of years. So what if I'm in pain? If Emily Dickinson wasnt in pain would she have been motivated to write her poetry??

After I eat a chocoate or a dorito... I want another and another. I dont think I'm addicted to doritos chips because I cant stop eating them. lol No, the responsible choice would be to stop after a handful because they're bad for me. Or to not eat any if I know I'll keep eating them.
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Old 02-14-2009, 09:18 PM
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AVRT.....REBT? Help! Thanks for the post, DK, but I need some clarification.

I agree, Trying....I wish I had LifeRing in my area.
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I am with coffeenut DK. You will have to write out what the acronyms stand for. I just found out BB stands for Blue Book but I still have no idea what buying a car has to do with recovery.
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Big Book! Mine IS blue though.
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Old 02-15-2009, 08:04 AM
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Cheesus Chrust.. since nobody's ever heard of Google...

AVRT - Addictive Voice Recognition Technique

AVRT in a Nutshell

REBT - Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy

What is Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT)? - REBT Network: Albert Ellis | Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy

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I just found out BB stands for Blue Book but I still have no idea what buying a car has to do with recovery.
Getting a ****** up deal on a car can make anyone want to drink...
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Well I am not working any program but I looked up REBT and I can say that the following statements are familiar to me at times...or alot

1. I must do well and win the approval of others for my performances or else I am no good.
2. Other people must treat me considerately, fairly and kindly, and in exactly the way I want them to treat me. If they don't, they are no good and they deserve to be condemned and punished.
3. I must get what I want, when I want it; and I must not get what I don't want. It's terrible if I don't get what I want, and I can't stand it.
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Old 02-15-2009, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by doorknob View Post
Cheesus Chrust.. since nobody's ever heard of Google...

Oooh! Ooooh! I've got an acronym for that!

FGI!

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Originally Posted by TryingSoHard View Post
Oooh! Ooooh! I've got an acronym for that!

FGI!

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DK~ Do you attend meetings? Have you read any of the books offered on the site? Was wondering....
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I attended a couple of meetings when I was visiting CA, and I have their Keepers publication. I also have an old version of their Recovery By Choice workbook.
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Thanks DK~

Bought the workbook...figured it may help me focus some!
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