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Old 08-20-2009, 03:41 PM
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meh. There are bad christians and good atheists....and the other way around...

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Old 08-20-2009, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dee74 View Post
meh. There are bad christians and good atheists....and the other way around...
But, one is the majority and one is the minority. In one case, proponents makeup what is probably the largest religion in the world - most certainly the largest religion in the US. In the other case, proponents are up against "massive discrimination in the U.S." by *the* majority religion. So says religioustolerance.org. And it really was not very long ago that a president of the good ol' USA dismissed atheists as being non-citizens.

Imagine a black man who had a cross burned on his lawn last night during a visit by the KKK. Would you say, "Well, some white people are good and some white people are bad?" Or would you be pissed-the-heck-off over it???

Perhaps the fact you are not upset over it, and want others to gloss over "massive discrimination" so easily, demonstrates the depth and profundity of that discrimination.

At any rate, bowing down to such discrimination will only strengthen it. The only way to fight it is to fight it. Fight on fellow atheists!
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Old 08-20-2009, 08:25 PM
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wow. I'm not sure what I did to warrant that, Misty.

I'm all for letting people be what they want to be - whatever that is...as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

I'm not an apologist for any church, group, or association that treats people poorly...including the KKK.

But there are good/bad christians...and bad/good atheists...and extremists on both sides...

I'll think I'll just ...mosey along.

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Old 08-20-2009, 08:38 PM
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To me it's not about being good or bad. I have a problem with things that are unprovable (and from my perspective illogical and irrational) being "taugh" and spoken of as fact or truth. After all... everyone knows the universe was created by...



Seriously though, we are one of the most discriminated against groups, at least in the US.

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Old 08-20-2009, 09:01 PM
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Accusing Dee of discrimination is pretty damn insulting given he has Cerebral Palsy and has dealt with so much of it all his life.

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Old 08-20-2009, 09:17 PM
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don't even think that I have read this whole thread...not even and no way...I all ready have a headache! LOL

I just decided I am very perfectly comfortable being an agnostic and admitting I just don't the hell know....but I am willing to learn from any source....even if it is what NOT to do..........
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:18 PM
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i quit fightin 5hit a long time ago. that's fer the younguns. people are gonna continue to worship weird stuff, they'll continue to hate each other, they'll continue to kill each other...meh, i'm just along for the ride...path of least resistance kinda guy.

dope dee doh.....don't mind me.....whistles off into the night
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:35 AM
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D, please don't leave.
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:41 AM
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can't we all just get along? there's no need for in-fighting. We're all on the same side here, really, we're all addicts in one sense or another, and we need each other. I choose not to fight with my friends. Dee, you make sense to me...
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dee74 View Post
wow. I'm not sure what I did to warrant that, Misty.

I'm all for letting people be what they want to be - whatever that is...as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

I'm not an apologist for any church, group, or association that treats people poorly...including the KKK.

But there are good/bad christians...and bad/good atheists...and extremists on both sides...

I'll think I'll just ...mosey along.

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Hey Dee, that really was not intended as an attack on your personally. I really think the world of you, and you have my sincerest apologies.

My intent to was to show how deep and thorough the discrimination really is - that it can be dismissed with comparative ease in favor of . . . just not confronting the problem. I know there are extremists on both sides. I probably am an "extremist atheist" as surely as feminists in the 60s were extremists - and for the same reason. Because change isn't going come gently, peacefully, without hurting anybody's feelings and without seriously disrupting people's belief systems. I also realize that this is not the ideal place to be talking about such things, but there really is no ideal place.

And I do apologize for hurting your feelings. Sorry.
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:31 PM
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One reason I have for having doubt about the "christian" faith is that so many 'christians' are like my old fundamentalist grandma whose beliefs were thus: when someone sins, you forgive them but you love them a little less to remind them that they're a sinner. That goes against all the so-called 'christian' teachings. There are a few people on this site who practice christianity the way my old grandma practiced it.
I still react in a strange way whenever I come across those people that have a 'holier than tho' attitude. The whole 'I'm right your wrong' attitude serves to generate conflict. I feel that attitude willfully causes more of an intentional rift than it brings a open dialog of differences that are best treated with mutual respect.
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:38 PM
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Accusing Dee of discrimination is pretty damn insulting given he has Cerebral Palsy and has dealt with so much of it all his life.

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Jules, read carefully before you respond. Also, having CP has nothing whatsoever to do with discrimination against atheists (who also tend to be humanists - no coincidence). I regret my wording, but I surely hope that I would not have changed what I said because I knew that Dee had CP (and I would hope that Dee feels the same way). I believe that doing so would demonstrate the heart and soul of discrimination.
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:44 PM
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Accusing Dee of discrimination is pretty damn insulting given he has Cerebral Palsy and has dealt with so much of it all his life.

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Not saying anything about Dee but it seems kinda silly to think that disabled people are some sort of saints without the ability to discriminate just because they have been discriminated against.

My sister's disabled and I get really sick of hearing that sort of thing. Everything she says or does is justified because she's disabled. Yeah, poor her, I guess all her views are legit.

Sorry Dee, but I guess I'll have to treat you like I treat everyone else
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Old 08-21-2009, 07:19 PM
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I'm in no danger of being thought a saint by anyone LOL.

I do know a bit about discrimination tho and I hate it and I fight it - and that's what Jules, who knows me better than anyone here, was posting about.

Thank you Jules

Misty and I are good, so if we could move on from me, I'd *greatly* appreciate it....

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Old 10-07-2009, 05:22 AM
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Hello all I thought you might be a great bunch to approach with a question I've got:

I'm currently teaching my daughter's Sunday school class (we're Unitarian Universalists) and I've been having interesting conversations lately with a lot of the parents. Our curriculum for this year is "Stories About God" (which if you know anything about UUs is a surprising topic to find!) Many of us, myself included, are having a problem with it for a couple of reasons:

1. the assumption that there is some sort of "god" (amusingly, two pf the parents suggested using the term "higher power" instead ) as several of the parents are staunch atheists,

2. the assumption that no matter what you refer to as "god" that it is basically the same thing for everyone. My take on it was that some people worship trees; they don't think trees are "god" they just love trees,

3. the class is 6 year olds, so it's tough because they want concrete answers to their questions, and, being UUs, were not really overflowing with concrete answers.

So here's the question I pose to you all: Do you have any ideas/suggestions/thoughts on how to present, to a group of 6 year olds, the idea that many people believe many different things that some call "God" and some don't, while maintaining the validity of all these beliefs, including atheism?

Thanks in advance for any input/insight you might have

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Old 10-07-2009, 05:47 AM
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Wow good luck with that Daisy lol

I basically have no idea what you are trying to do with this, don't the UU have any guidelines at all.?

I hope that you find since the children are so young and hopefully more open minded than us grown ups that the whole experience is a good one for both them and you

I don't have children so the only experience I have of the type of questions they ask is from my many neices and nephews, and to be honest I find that they only began to wonder about god once they had been to school and the subject was introduced by others.

Its an area strewn with minefields and I salute the UU church (who again I know nothing about lol) for trying to inform rather than indoctrinate

On a lighter note thanks for the post it's always nice to be reminded how little I know.
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