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Old 06-03-2017, 10:26 AM   #21 (permalink)
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You know what I think would be really cool? A 12 Step hiking or walking club. Instead of sitting in a circle, just meet regularly at a specific location and walk for an hour in the woods or something, and have our conversations side-by-side while we enjoy nature and get a little exercise. I'd be down with that. Less boxed in, literally and figuratively. Anybody know of groups like that?
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Old 06-03-2017, 07:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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No I've never heard of a meeting like that but it's a great idea! I bet it wouldn't be that hard to set up.... it could be done through a meetup group.
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Old 06-03-2017, 08:03 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I don't go to meetings (AA) anymore because after several years I have found them to be more harmful to me than helpful. I feel much better now! I felt like the meetings just triggered me & kept me immersed in shame & guilt. It feels so good to be free of them!
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Mike, the more I think about my meeting experiences and our recent discussions, plus your above post - I think the meetings have changed format and perhaps, are not as beneficial. I've said recently to both you and Lady Blue, had I experienced what you both did in meetings, then I may have benefited.

I resently read an article by a psychologist who specialised in alcoholism, written in 1963. His opinion was that the, then, current meetings had altered format and were more dogmatic, he referred to the original meetings, which he said involved back and forth discussions, much as you wrote above. Maybe some grass roots thinking could help some folks more?

Edited to add: Mike, have you heard about the "Back to Basics" AA meetings and if so, do they involve more interaction?
Back to Basics is a class room setting. It runs to a strict format for one hour. At the end there is time for questions, but it does not develop into a discussion.

Interaction is encouraged between newcomer and sharing partner/sponsor, who work together between the meetings to get the steps done. The format takes all twelve steps in four weeks, and strangely, at the ones I attended, there were always way more newcomers wanting to take the steps than there were sponsors willing to help them. This is tragic on several levels.

Possibly it is the influence of the rehab industry. In my how town, rehab became a subtsitute for the steps, and there are an awful lot of long term members who do not know how to take someone through the steps. They just did the rehab treatment which might have involved some steps, and then went tol ots of meetings as instructed.

I digress. In b2b the idea is that the newcomer will return as a sharing partner and help some one else through the steps, therby completing the steps.

The format is based on a practice of some groups in the 1940s. They seemed to have a good success rate at the time.

I should add the rider that these groups are not particularly popular among the AA establishment, hence more newcomers than there are sponsors willing to help.

My guess is they are unpopular because they show up the lack of knowledge of the older members. This was the case for me. I learnt a great deal through the classes. Many of my contemporaries simply refused to be involved- contempt prior to investigation, or pride perhaps?
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Anybody know of groups like that?
Zero, there are meetings right on the beach where I live, early morning and sunset meetings as well, where people just gather with towels and beach chairs. It's not walking, but it's definitely less boxed in.

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The format takes all twelve steps in four weeks,
The Wally P. format is actually all 12 steps in four hours. That can be spread over weeks, days, or even done in one day. I attended a four hour b2b day course years ago. The b2b method focuses intensely and solely on the actual steps of the program itself, without any fluff, that's for sure. No treatment center jargon, no psycho-babble. Not the one I attended anyway.
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The Wally P. format is actually all 12 steps in four hours. That can be spread over weeks, days, or even done in one day. I attended a four hour b2b day course years ago. The b2b method focuses intensely and solely on the actual steps of the program itself, without any fluff, that's for sure. No treatment center jargon, no psycho-babble. Not the one I attended anyway.
True the work book or meeting guide is divided into four one hour sessions covering all the steps. However it is not possible to do all the work in a four hour time frame. The fourth step work, for example, can take a good two hours for the sharing partner and new over to get through. Step five is done between sessions, and takes as long as it takes. Likewise, practice at prayer and meditation is done between sessions, and guidance received is shared in the next session.

At the start there is a guide to what is expected. One of those is that both new comer and sharing partner will attend all four classes over the next four weeks. The sessions are so well written that each session runs almost exactly for one hour.

Big book sponsorship four hour steps is based on this, but does have a format that gets you through the steps in that four hour time zone, but it does it by making a start on step four, then moving on. Step five is not done at either meeting.
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You know what I think would be really cool? A 12 Step hiking or walking club. Instead of sitting in a circle, just meet regularly at a specific location and walk for an hour in the woods or something, and have our conversations side-by-side while we enjoy nature and get a little exercise. I'd be down with that. Less boxed in, literally and figuratively. Anybody know of groups like that?

Hey, I know this thread is a few months old but if you are still reading this I know that a lot of refuge recovery groups have hiking meetings. If they are available in your area you may want to check them out, Buddhist based.
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Hey, I know this thread is a few months old but if you are still reading this I know that a lot of refuge recovery groups have hiking meetings. If they are available in your area you may want to check them out, Buddhist based.
I've checked it out and read Noah Levine's book by that title. None in my area, but thanks.
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You know what I think would be really cool? A 12 Step hiking or walking club. Instead of sitting in a circle, just meet regularly at a specific location and walk for an hour in the woods or something, and have our conversations side-by-side while we enjoy nature and get a little exercise. I'd be down with that. Less boxed in, literally and figuratively. Anybody know of groups like that?
no meetings that i know of, but quite regularly everywhere members of AA get together outside of meetings and do those kind of things.
there used to be a traveling campfire meetings in the spring and summer up where i got sober. i think it was sunday nite and at a different persons house weekly.the regular meeting still took place at the meeting location,too. wouldnt want to not be there if a newcomer showed up or if sitting by a campfire wasnt everyones cup or tea.
theres all kinds of events groups set up outside of the rooms.
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no meetings that i know of, but quite regularly everywhere members of AA get together outside of meetings and do those kind of things.
there used to be a traveling campfire meetings in the spring and summer up where i got sober. i think it was sunday nite and at a different persons house weekly.the regular meeting still took place at the meeting location,too. wouldnt want to not be there if a newcomer showed up or if sitting by a campfire wasnt everyones cup or tea.
theres all kinds of events groups set up outside of the rooms.
I enjoy that extra fellowship activity, but it is not easy to organize. Trying to get a bunch of drunks, or ex drunks to do something like that is like herding cats.
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Everyone has their own path. Some find meetings to be essential, while others have never been to one, and have found success through other outlets.
Though don't let your guard down thinking it seems too easy, it still takes hard work no matter what you choose to stay down the right road.
I've never taken my sobority for granted and enjoyed going to meetings. I make it a point to check out the local aa when traveling.

I know members who hide in the rooms of aa.

The rooms act as a comfort zone.
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