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Old 10-30-2019, 06:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is it time to rethink medicinal cannabis use for mental health?


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I hope it stays banned forever in my country. Its what caused my mental issues and all the people saying it's just a coincidence are in denial. I went about 5-6 years without smoking it at all then about 3 months ago I got offered to have a few bongs. At first felt alright but not even good. Then all of a sudden I started getting the old issues back which is what put me on medication in the first place. I started to feel sorta hard to explain, like I had died a few hours eariler and everyone around me was purposly trying to trip me out to the point i thought they were turning on me. It doesn't stop there though. After a while I started to get really bad anxiety and then I got to a point where I couldn't understand what they were saying nor comprohend. It was like dementia. Anyway thats when I quickly got up and just walked out of that house and headed strait home tring to avoid looking at anyone opn the way.

When i got back it went away after a few hours. Pretty sure it was psychosis that caused the dementia like symptoms which I believe is called psychotic confusion. Its a horrible experience. I now know to never touch cannabis again. Also before I had quit Cannabis 5-6 years agi I had smoked it for about 5-7 years. So it wasn't always a problem, it became a problem afer abusing it for years.
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For what its worth, my experience is similar to yours ozm8ey but over a much longer period.

My lowest point of mental health corresponded with my highest use of cannabis.

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YES

This is such a burgeoning topic - marijuana use for [ ] - and I think it is hugely detrimental to those of us in recovery. That's not most of the population, of course, but mental illness and recovery from substance abuse means....no pot for me.
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I don't know whether cannabis has any utility for mental health, although I get the impression that it helps for pain relief in certain circumstances (e.g. metastatic cancer).

But I'm not putting any of it back in my body under any circumstances.

My experiences with it were like ozme8y's (psychosis, paranoia, depression - what's to not like?), even though I usually just did it when I was drunk.

If the only 2 inebriating substances which existed were pot and Miller Lite, I would have never made my way to 12 step recovery, as a result of my distaste for both of them.

I don't get into the politics of legalization, but what bothers me is that, in the process (over here in the States) is the celebration of of all things marijuana.

It's to the point of being ridiculous over here.

I was never daunted by the legality of any drug when I was drinking and using.

The price, maybe, but certainly not something as trivial as to whether I was committing a crime.

I'm glad you put that stuff down.
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It is at a ridiculously high level. The other night - on some credible news show, not something like Entertainment Tonight - there was a segment on this legal pot shop and basically, it's (unfairly) challenging to sell enough legally when your competition is better product farmed and split "sold" to legal and not....outlets. A fam farm of multiple generations was featured.

And I'd also throw in that while pot back around 22 and situationally smoked with one boyfriend and friends (sidenote we were all young professionals on a path to success) it never caused me anxiety, I hear people talk about panic attacks and so on with use - which I can only connect with the same kind of result we get drinking, which is a depressant....relieve a problem (like anxiety) and cause ourselves more.

Oh yeah, and not being 21 was irrelevant to me when it came to alcohol.
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Old 11-03-2019, 06:21 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm of two minds regarding marijuana. On one side, I think it's has benefits and can be used medicinally. I would way rather live with a nation of pot users than opioid users. I think it's a legitimate alternative to pain meds, and sleep meds. If pot can help people get off all these gross pills with all kinds of nasty side effects, then I say, have at it! I also think it's a better alternative than alcohol. Pot won't kill you, and drinking will.

That said, I also don't think it's good for the youth, or addicts like the people on here, or people with a predisposition to mental health. It's not without its own side effects and anxiety, depressed mood, lethargy, paranoia can be side effects.

I have a thing against the big pharma and Dr's though. I don't trust them and I think they are part of the Beast systems that likes to keep people sick and divided and inverted and confused. The schools are to make kids stupid, not educated. The government is out to exploit their citizens instead of protect. The church is to separate us for God rather than connect us. Health care is to make us sick and not well. The food industry is poison not nutrition. The news reports lies instead of truth.

I think alcohol is THE worst drug out there, yet it's the legal one that is promoted and pushed on us in the most diabolical and disgusting ways.
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Alcohol is indeed the worst. Right now, we are focused on opioids - and the intensity of that crisis is certainly true and tragic. In the metro Atlanta area we have what is called the "Opioid Triangle" and its points are 3 affluent areas.

But alcohol kills more people every year. In many ways. I read somewhere that "alcohol is the only drug we have to justify quitting." Bam.

And a very personal example of what Wholesome described is going on in our family. My 21 yr old step son has struggled with undiagnosed then diagnosed but untreated depression and other issues for years. In the past two he tried to kill himself, and chose to go in and out of therapy and on and off meds. Then he started pot and sometimes pills, and he is now in treatment. He doesn't have a chance at any kind of productive life if he doesn't stay sober and on his meds. And .... I just don't seem him wanting to do those yet.
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A while back I watched the Nick Polizzi Sacred Science Herbal Medicine series, 9 episodes on various heath topics. In each episode they had Naturopathic Physicians, Naturopathic Oncologists, Herbalists, Chinese Medicine Doctors, etc commenting and giving their recommendations for the various health conditions they were discussing, including mental health (anxiety/ depression, etc), pain management, etc.

I found it interesting that given the huge “movement “and advertising that goes into it here in the States, they did not mention or recommend CBD or THC, not even once, for anything. And I don’t think it was because any of these physicians or herbalists have anything against it, but the studies show that so many other herbs and natural medicine/ alternative treatment options are the ones that are found to be effective for the various conditions they were discussing. Marijuana just didn’t make the cut.

At any rate, I think it’s going to end up like Big Tobacco and Big Pharma both, in that they are going to put huge amounts of money and advertising into it; exaggerating the benefits while minimizing or leaving out the negative. And that’s the thing with advertising and putting so much money into something- it works. That’s how Big Pharma does it too. Take a complex issue (something like “mental health”), simplify it (you have a “chemical imbalance” -a theory / hypothesis that funny enough still hasn’t been proven - “mental health” is much more complex than that- and the evidence from a Holistic perspective- both in what’s going on in the physical body, and the person’s life experience/ environment/supports or lack there of/ trauma/ abuse, etc - seems more aligned with what’s “wrong” with people), and offer a simple solution (this pill). What the marijuana industry is doing is simply substituting their product. Got to hand it to them, though, they will make a killing.
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The pot legalization lobby was able to conflate civil rights and medical use with 'safe' when in fact it's not the harmless drug many think it is. Just from observation of some stoned pot users it altered their personality and it wasn't a happy personality change they were bitter, resentful and angry which was their mood to begin with but it amplified their bad attitude rather than mellow them out. They had a "I'm going to cut you" demeanor.

I surprised the pot lobby didn't try to suppress this or slam it right away because prior to legalization in many states they had professional posters commenting on any news story they could on various sites & forums.
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Just because I cannot use it safely doesn't mean others can't. It should be legal everywhere, and its time to move on.
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Unfortunately, db, I see the impact it is having in many forms - vaping of any substance is a huge issue - on teens. Even tweens. My husband is at the top of one of the largest public school systems in GA and my eyes have been opened about the impact on younger people.

Kids know where to get it these days and so many forms of [ ] have fetanyl or any other number of things mixed in, for example.

So I get what you are saying for adults, and for non-addicts, but I don't think it's a blanket thing that we can feel ok with across the board.
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Thank you, Dee, for this article and this thread.
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I noticed that no one in this thread has mentioned CBD only. I occasionally use CBD for anxiety and it works wonders for me. But as regards to THC, whilst I am for full legalisation I do think there needs to be more regulation around it.
The stuff you get off the streets is not only potentially life threatening (you don't know what they could be putting in there), but the THC levels ensures that it is simply not fit for purpose on a medicinal level.
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^to that end, the most valuable point of reference I have for use of CBD is my former sponsor. We were close friends and she was my AA sponsor for over two yrs then friendship developed. As she began struggling with some PTSD treatment and so on, she started using CBD for anxiety. It was the quintessential slippery slope and pot came along pretty quickly.

It was the mental obsession and need for some kind of relief - escape- that snagged her. I'm not sure where she is with all of that now as I had to distance myself. It makes me very sad as she was working a very good recovery program - and it reminds me that for me, venturing into what I'd consider iffy waters for this alcoholic is a bad idea.
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I noticed that no one in this thread has mentioned CBD only. I occasionally use CBD for anxiety and it works wonders for me. But as regards to THC, whilst I am for full legalisation I do think there needs to be more regulation around it.
The stuff you get off the streets is not only potentially life threatening (you don't know what they could be putting in there), but the THC levels ensures that it is simply not fit for purpose on a medicinal level.
yeah there's a lot of different things being called CBD oil out there. I recommend to everyone to do their due diligence and run your plan past your Dr.

With my history I decided not to explore CBD oils.

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I think the thing that bothers me the most is that it is being prescribed without the rigorous testing prior to its release for the intended medical purpose.

Any new medicine released in the U.S. goes through years of medical testing leading up to its availability to the public. With medical canabis, it's as though doctors are prescribing it on heresay and performing experiments on the public.
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I think there are other safer alternatives and that legalization causes more harm than good.

Like Seren, I am concerned with the lack of good testing.

It has been legalized in Canada, for medical AND recreational use. If this was any other drug the testing would be rigorous. They spend millions to stop tobacco smoking and yet are allowed to promote this.

And now it is in candy form, gummy bears is one that alarms me. I am waiting for the first child fatality. It is inevitable.

I feel I am wandering off topic, mental health issues is the topic, but I think many members here have proven that other alternatives can help more than this kind of medicating and are safer choices in the long run.
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What always seems to be lacking is proper scientific research that everyone can trust. That shouldn't be too much to ask but, when a subject is contentious then it appears it is too much. Hey ho.
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