AVRT Explained (long)
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Originally Posted by freshstart57 
OK, I need this also to be very clear. I am talking about only my sobriety. Mine. Not anyone else's sobriety, especially not yours. I am not criticizing anyone who does not think as I do about their own sobriety as I do about mine. I have no right to do that. I know that there are many ways to get to sober, and this one is mine.
Here is what I am asking of you, XXXXX. I am asking you to accept that what I have described above is real, and true, to accept this as fact, just like the sun rises. I am asking you to accept that this is true and real for me. I have decided that I have the power to believe this 'mind trick' as true, and I hold this belief very very strongly simply because my sobriety and my life depend on it. This belief allows me to be sober, and sober for good, no matter what ever might happen, however I might feel.
I hope you understand a little more about my sobriety, and thanks for listening to me.
Here is what I am asking of you, XXXXX. I am asking you to accept that what I have described above is real, and true, to accept this as fact, just like the sun rises. I am asking you to accept that this is true and real for me. I have decided that I have the power to believe this 'mind trick' as true, and I hold this belief very very strongly simply because my sobriety and my life depend on it. This belief allows me to be sober, and sober for good, no matter what ever might happen, however I might feel.
I hope you understand a little more about my sobriety, and thanks for listening to me.
Sincerely,
XXXXX
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Thanks for a great post!! I have not had a drink in four days, and I will never have another one. I knew my ex-husband had a fatty liver, but I found out on Sunday night that the liver disease is progressing, so I did some research (Monday night) and the results scared me so much that I woke up on Tuesday and decided I had to quit. Joined SR and luckily stumbled onto AVRT--it made perfect sense to me!!!
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Originally Posted by RecklessEric
So, is the Rational Recovery model that simple?
Do I need to find books or something?
Do I need to find books or something?
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Originally Posted by RecklessEric
So, is the Rational Recovery model that simple?
Do I need to find books or something?
Do I need to find books or something?
I'm not sure I would call it simple, but it's not hard or a lifelong process. It's as the author calls it "a thinking skill". It's all about the decision to quit, once and for all, no if, ands or buts.
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Originally Posted by RecklessEric
So, is the Rational Recovery model that simple?
Do I need to find books or something?
Do I need to find books or something?
The New Cure book is available from the RR website, and also of course from a number of online booksellers too. While you are waiting for your copy to arrive, please look at the RR - AVRT website and look at The Crash Course in AVRT.
A big part of success in this or any challenging endeavour is belief in self. You can do this, RecklessEric, you can make the forever choice and decide to get that life worth living. I know you have it within you to win.
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After reading, and rereading, the last few posts, including mine, I feel compelled to add this.
I am a Big Booker and currently learning how to thump with, properly I hope. I feel it probably saved my life although I got damn near death before I was able to follow it's simple, but difficult for me, instructions... thoroughly, as prescribed by it. During the time it took me to do this, I found SR, and became educated a bit in other paths.
In spite of the rather high cost of this path, in terms of time and therefore everything else, I have no regrets now of winding along it because I believe that I'm probably stronger and better than I would have been, certainly than I have been, ever, for winding up on it.
I am a Big Booker and currently learning how to thump with, properly I hope. I feel it probably saved my life although I got damn near death before I was able to follow it's simple, but difficult for me, instructions... thoroughly, as prescribed by it. During the time it took me to do this, I found SR, and became educated a bit in other paths.
In spite of the rather high cost of this path, in terms of time and therefore everything else, I have no regrets now of winding along it because I believe that I'm probably stronger and better than I would have been, certainly than I have been, ever, for winding up on it.
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Originally Posted by dSober
After reading, and rereading, the last few posts, including mine, I feel compelled to add this.
I am a Big Booker and currently learning how to thump with, properly I hope. I feel it probably saved my life although I got damn near death before I was able to follow it's simple, but difficult for me, instructions... thoroughly, as prescribed by it. During the time it took me to do this, I found SR, and became educated a bit in other paths.
In spite of the rather high cost of this path, in terms of time and therefore everything else, I have no regrets now of winding along it because I believe that I'm probably stronger and better than I would have been, certainly than I have been, ever, for winding up on it.
I am a Big Booker and currently learning how to thump with, properly I hope. I feel it probably saved my life although I got damn near death before I was able to follow it's simple, but difficult for me, instructions... thoroughly, as prescribed by it. During the time it took me to do this, I found SR, and became educated a bit in other paths.
In spite of the rather high cost of this path, in terms of time and therefore everything else, I have no regrets now of winding along it because I believe that I'm probably stronger and better than I would have been, certainly than I have been, ever, for winding up on it.
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Originally Posted by FeenixxRising
dSober I certainly respect your sobriety, but what do your comments have to do with AVRT?
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OMG about this thread. I realize it's older but I have to thank you freshstart. After 5 1/2 months of sobriety, this is exactly what I need.
Lately, it is as if I've been under this hopeless, worthless, needy kind of cloud and I'm not that kind of person. AA and NA both helped at the beginning but yet again it cannot take me the whole way because it is causing me to second guess myself and continually look at what I'm doing wrong. Blessings to both organizations and the help they give to people though. But I'm not one who needs that constant coddling and it really starts to get on my nerves listening day after day about how hopeless I am having a disease that is going to have to be managed every $!!$ day.
Granted I never understood this thinking until now. I UNDERSTAND IT!! AVRT is what I need to take back my power, my control of MY life. I UNDERSTAND because I quit smoking when I was 19 years old, cold turkey, and never suffered under it's influence again because I was sure. I am sure now with AVRT.
THANK YOU so much for your post - the post that keeps on giving and giving years later.
Audra
Lately, it is as if I've been under this hopeless, worthless, needy kind of cloud and I'm not that kind of person. AA and NA both helped at the beginning but yet again it cannot take me the whole way because it is causing me to second guess myself and continually look at what I'm doing wrong. Blessings to both organizations and the help they give to people though. But I'm not one who needs that constant coddling and it really starts to get on my nerves listening day after day about how hopeless I am having a disease that is going to have to be managed every $!!$ day.
Granted I never understood this thinking until now. I UNDERSTAND IT!! AVRT is what I need to take back my power, my control of MY life. I UNDERSTAND because I quit smoking when I was 19 years old, cold turkey, and never suffered under it's influence again because I was sure. I am sure now with AVRT.
THANK YOU so much for your post - the post that keeps on giving and giving years later.
Audra
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And this, my friends, is how it's done. 
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ck-bottom.html
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ck-bottom.html
I am no longer counting the days, I dont care.
I am no longer convincing myself I am normal, I am clearly not.
I have stopped lying to myself and have forgiven myself.
This time its not about getting to week 1 or month 1 or even year 1, this is clear as glass to me, I am just not going to start drinking again ever.
I am no longer convincing myself I am normal, I am clearly not.
I have stopped lying to myself and have forgiven myself.
This time its not about getting to week 1 or month 1 or even year 1, this is clear as glass to me, I am just not going to start drinking again ever.
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