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Old 11-23-2019, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Epictetus View Post
You hang out with your wife's friends Hodd! I bet Callas's friend doesn't think that's normal!! It's all perspective really!
😀 Fair enough

I don’t hang out with them that much 😀 I meant to say I have more fun with them than some of my older friends whose only pastime is the pub.

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Old 11-23-2019, 11:55 AM
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To be honest, there are times when not drinking sucks.
On the other hand, if you are an alcoholic, drinking always sucks, every time.

I think you need re-think your position. What you probably meant was that not being able to drink like a normal person sucks, which of course you can't do. And then I would re-think that too. Many normal people don't drink, and I doubt they feel like not drinking sucks at all. Is there something wrong with normal people who don't drink?

I'm with Trailmix on this one. I wouldn't trade places with your buddies for all the whiskey in Kentucky.
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Old 11-23-2019, 12:27 PM
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It’s ok you could say sometimes it sucks not drinking , especially in situations like that. I’m sure that you didn’t regret it the next day when you woke up feeling fresh. Hopefully it gets easier for you , keep going.
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Old 11-23-2019, 02:01 PM
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If you're still equating fun with drinking you really owe it to yourself to find a new better definition of fun.

I had to really look hard at what I thought alcohol was doing for me and what it actually did, Callas,

I thought alcohol took away that social anxiety and made it easier for me to mingle and do chit chat - but the reality was I went from stone cold sober to embarrassingly drunk very fast.

My window for witty urbane chat was about 5 mins - and it wasn't that witty or urbane by all accounts.

There were good reasons why I stopped drinking 'socially' and only drank at home by the end.

It took me a long time to not feel like ripping my skin off in social situations sober but I stuck with it.

I've had to accept I'm really not a social animal...I prefer small gatherings to big parties and well known friends to newcomers....

I feel the freedom to be me and I'm comfortable doing that. That's where real relaxation and fun lies for me. I can be a nut, I can goof off, I can let myself go...and still be sober...because I'm finally (in my 50s ) not pre occupied with what others think of me. \
Like me...all good...loathe me...all good too - we never have to socialise again

I've gotten to the point tho where I can do small talk and mingle and not feel like I want to be sick.

It's a skill that needs practice like anything else. I usually get people talking about themselves

Its been a journey but a good worthwhile one. We only get one life so you may as well make it into one you love?

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Old 11-23-2019, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Epictetus View Post
You hang out with your wife's friends Hodd! I bet Callas's friend doesn't think that's normal!! It's all perspective really! The guy has his life and I'm sure as an adult he knows what he is doing and what he wants!
The guy in question is not a member here, far as I know, so yeah chances are he doesn't think he has a problem.

He's not the topic of this thread.

I'm not anti alcohol. The problem was and remains me, not alcohol.

but...drinking a bottle of wine at lunch is not normal tho.
Look at any countrys drinking guidelines for healthy living,

Lets not get so relativist that we shift the goalposts to ridiculous positions

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Old 11-24-2019, 03:53 AM
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but...drinking a bottle of wine at lunch is not normal tho.
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The trouble is, Dee, drinking in general (and not just lunchtimes) looks so cool and sophisticated when other people do it. In films, you get people swigging from a hip flask before hitting that perfect drive on the golf course or whatever.

OK, they’re actors and drinking nothing stronger than water on camera, but I fell for the scene in countries like France where drinking wine is the norm.

Now I’ve come to my senses, when I see heavy drinking going on, I just think of the future health problems those people will almost certainly face regrettably.
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Old 11-24-2019, 03:18 PM
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I think there is something to be said about growing older for sure...what looked cool and sophisticated to me as a young man no longer does now...

a large part of that awareness came from the journey through hell I made in active addiction that nearly killed me.

I've seen 'backstage' as it were and it's not cool or sophisticated.
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