So much potential! Still No recovery!
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But the steps haven't tackled the trauma
It's the trauma that's 100% driving my behaviour. I know that!
the steps dont say they can tackle trauma.
AA itself says it isnt a cure all for everything and encourages outside help.
It's the trauma that's 100% driving my behaviour. I know that!
the steps dont say they can tackle trauma.
AA itself says it isnt a cure all for everything and encourages outside help.
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I'm addicted and I cannot use alcohol!
Alcoholic or not it doesn't matter.
I have a destructive life threatening behaviour pattern an addiction which encompasses 1 behaviour and two substances. Alcohol has to go!!
Alcoholic or not it doesn't matter.
I have a destructive life threatening behaviour pattern an addiction which encompasses 1 behaviour and two substances. Alcohol has to go!!
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Originally Posted by Ghoster18 
No I'm not drinking!
Are You?
If not how long are sober?
Do you sponsor people?
What's your method of recovery?
I'll go check your threads get some info!
Are You?
If not how long are sober?
Do you sponsor people?
What's your method of recovery?
I'll go check your threads get some info!
If not how long are sober?
- I'm sober 3 weeks today. Been a long road to get here, as you can tell if you looked up my posts or checked my join date. I've finally crossed the threshold where I am never drinking again. Took a long time, too long if you ask me, lots of failures and suffering and immaturity. I feel lucky to have gotten sober and not lost many things in my life. I know it was only a matter of time, and for me it was coming quick, that I would have lost everything.
Do you sponsor people?
- As you can tell, I'm way far away from that. Which brings me to:
What's your method of recovery?
- I found AVRT via Jack Trippeys book to be of incredible help. I read it a couple years ago, and just again this spring. I think the ideas have been germinating in my head for a long time - primarily identifying the desire to drink as separate/disassociated from my self in the form of the AV/Beast whatever you call it.
I enjoy AA meetings and understand their value but I am do not find myself attracted to the permanent recovery model.
I believe I am done with drinking like a someone who quits smoking is done with cigarettes - they aren't in cigarette recovery for the rest of their lives, as much as they have to fight temptation when it comes. They are ex-smokers.
I'm an ex-drinker.
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I'm in better shape today. I'm waking up out of the pit!
I'm surrendering to what is and I'm taking action on what I can do to change my life for the better!
This pity pot woe is me victim mentality has to go! It pisses me off in others yet it's ok for me to feed my own demise!
I'll keep checking back
G
I'm surrendering to what is and I'm taking action on what I can do to change my life for the better!
This pity pot woe is me victim mentality has to go! It pisses me off in others yet it's ok for me to feed my own demise!
I'll keep checking back
G
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Originally Posted by lessgravity
I enjoy AA meetings and understand their value but I am do not find myself attracted to the permanent recovery model.
We, OF Alcoholics Anonymous, are more than one hundred men and women who have recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body. To show other alcoholics PRECISELY HOW WE HAVE RECOVERED is the main purpose of this book.
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Originally Posted by tomsteve
actually, AA isnt a permanent recovery model.
We, OF Alcoholics Anonymous, are more than one hundred men and women who have recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body. To show other alcoholics PRECISELY HOW WE HAVE RECOVERED is the main purpose of this book.
We, OF Alcoholics Anonymous, are more than one hundred men and women who have recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body. To show other alcoholics PRECISELY HOW WE HAVE RECOVERED is the main purpose of this book.
But I, for one, admire AA/AA goers for the community and the support etc - I get it and think it's great.
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Originally Posted by lessgravity
Ah got it. Guess it's just the verbiage of "being in recovery". I've been to a handful of AA meetings, maybe 30 or so, and I've never heard anyone say they are fully recovered or something to that tune.
But I, for one, admire AA/AA goers for the community and the support etc - I get it and think it's great.
But I, for one, admire AA/AA goers for the community and the support etc - I get it and think it's great.
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Step 1 was a problem for me for years
It's ridiculous really considering the consequences! If I'm not powerless over this stuff then maybe I'm deliberately trying to destroy everything I value and cherish.
Don't think so!
G
I'll check back in response to Dee later today.
Sober G
It's ridiculous really considering the consequences! If I'm not powerless over this stuff then maybe I'm deliberately trying to destroy everything I value and cherish.
Don't think so!
G
I'll check back in response to Dee later today.
Sober G
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Hope you're feeling better ghosted. Sounds like your life is a nitemare and you have tried AA. Got no answers for you except no more loans. It only makes things worse. Try your hardest to stay sober today. Hand it over to an higher power and tell yourself you are ok in this moment.
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Originally Posted by lessgravity
Ah got it. Guess it's just the verbiage of "being in recovery". I've been to a handful of AA meetings, maybe 30 or so, and I've never heard anyone say they are fully recovered or something to that tune.
But I, for one, admire AA/AA goers for the community and the support etc - I get it and think it's great.
But I, for one, admire AA/AA goers for the community and the support etc - I get it and think it's great.
there are people that feel they are in recovery for life. theres people that say they need meetings more than meetings need them. theres people that say they dont want to find out what happens of they stop going to meetings.
theres people living a fear based program and feel they have to be at meetings, which by the time the steps are gone through, attending meetings should be about helping the next sick and suffering alcoholic.
quite a few sayings/statements go against what the program says and what the program promises.
one small part of the BB that seems to be missed often:
None of us makes a sole vocation of this work(carrying the message), nor do we think its effectiveness would be increased if we did. We feel that elimination of our drinking is but a beginning. A much more important demonstration of our principles lies before us in our respective homes, occupations and affairs. All of us spend much of our spare time in the sort of effort which we are going to describe.
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Tradition 5 Tomsteve!
I hear what your saying!
Complicated people have in many cases taken a simple program and confused it's simplicity!
I thrive when I'm in conscious contact with my HP and I've been there many times in my life, way before I even knew anything about SAA and AA!
My problem is not a relationship with a HP it's my relationship to and with myself therein lies the wound!!
Someone said to me today my lovely Mum in actual fact that self esteem comes from outside and self respect comes from within!
Yeah that works for me!!
In my formative years I personally experience countless intrusive abusive boundary violations of myself at tender ages and developmental stages not because I was a troublesome disruptive difficult child but because my sick father was trying to mould me into becoming the person he had failed to be.
It's taken me years of psychological self examination to try to take ownership of myself emotionally. Hence my diving deep into consciousness and the human/spiritual condition that stuff ignites my sky and brings me into an authentic catharsis.
I never needed a program or others for that libraries were like magnets for msg to go explore because I knew my addiction was a spiritual issue. Maybe more the case that it was to be a Spiritual solution to the problem of my addiction rather than me seeing it as a spiritual malady.
I see it as an emotional/identity malady with a metamorphosis through that pain into conscious spiritual contact with my true nature which is love!!
Love in this sense being something that I'm a novice at engaging with!!!
And to answer Dee's question...
Speak to sponsor every day
Doing steps 123 a week on Saturday
Speaking to national debt help getting a plan! I've screwed my credit rating but ive still got my home and my car👍
I lost my job so I'm in touch with agencies hopefully back to work Monday
I'm helping someone else every day
That is also really helping me!
I am going back tomorrow night to my SAA home group.
Life's on the up!
G
I hear what your saying!
Complicated people have in many cases taken a simple program and confused it's simplicity!
I thrive when I'm in conscious contact with my HP and I've been there many times in my life, way before I even knew anything about SAA and AA!
My problem is not a relationship with a HP it's my relationship to and with myself therein lies the wound!!
Someone said to me today my lovely Mum in actual fact that self esteem comes from outside and self respect comes from within!
Yeah that works for me!!
In my formative years I personally experience countless intrusive abusive boundary violations of myself at tender ages and developmental stages not because I was a troublesome disruptive difficult child but because my sick father was trying to mould me into becoming the person he had failed to be.
It's taken me years of psychological self examination to try to take ownership of myself emotionally. Hence my diving deep into consciousness and the human/spiritual condition that stuff ignites my sky and brings me into an authentic catharsis.
I never needed a program or others for that libraries were like magnets for msg to go explore because I knew my addiction was a spiritual issue. Maybe more the case that it was to be a Spiritual solution to the problem of my addiction rather than me seeing it as a spiritual malady.
I see it as an emotional/identity malady with a metamorphosis through that pain into conscious spiritual contact with my true nature which is love!!
Love in this sense being something that I'm a novice at engaging with!!!
And to answer Dee's question...
Speak to sponsor every day
Doing steps 123 a week on Saturday
Speaking to national debt help getting a plan! I've screwed my credit rating but ive still got my home and my car👍
I lost my job so I'm in touch with agencies hopefully back to work Monday
I'm helping someone else every day
That is also really helping me!
I am going back tomorrow night to my SAA home group.
Life's on the up!
G
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Thanks Ghoster
You can treat my questions as rhetorical if you like - no worries - just as long as you're thinking about what you're doing
It's good to see some action there and some strong intent for imminent future action - follow through, man
D
You can treat my questions as rhetorical if you like - no worries - just as long as you're thinking about what you're doing
It's good to see some action there and some strong intent for imminent future action - follow through, man
D
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Just back from my local addictions key worker appt.
Got so many resources now to work with
Day 3
Got myself an interview for new job next Saturday
Am having doc and nurse check me over my health checks.
Got a oods free gym membership got my sponsor my HP meetings and step work all combined to make me stay the course.
Happy ghost
Got so many resources now to work with
Day 3
Got myself an interview for new job next Saturday
Am having doc and nurse check me over my health checks.
Got a oods free gym membership got my sponsor my HP meetings and step work all combined to make me stay the course.
Happy ghost
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