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There's no disease here. People call themselves alcoholics so they can dignify their failings. Give it a label like they do with every unpleasant trait. I admit, I drink because I'm a weak minded ********.
I reckon it's just a sliding scale. We all like nice things, only some people don't behave sensibly around them. Most people are able to act like responsible adults. They've grown up to understand what reality is and how you can't take refuge in some medicated, delusional fantasy world. Other people are stupid and/or weak.
If you can't stop drinking then maybe you shouldn't stop drinking. What you're doing is creating an ideal, and ideals are imaginary.
If it's not easy then it's not meant to be. Effort will be counterproductive - think about anorexics and bulimics where it's all based on a delusion and the more you struggle the more you are caught.
Don't think about alcohol as a problem because it's not. The problem only starts when you force yourself to stop drinking. I wish I'd been oblivous to all this "helpful advice" about drinking when I was younger. I've been struggling with drinking for most of my adult life and it all started because when I was told that drinking was such a terrible thing.
My drinking's out of control - I guess your is. Obviously that doesn't prove causation - even so, it's strange that it's me that's the drunk rather than all my other friends who in their youth couldn't give a **** about whether they drank too much.
The solution to the "problem" creates the problem. Give up the "giving up," that's what I reckon.
I reckon it's just a sliding scale. We all like nice things, only some people don't behave sensibly around them. Most people are able to act like responsible adults. They've grown up to understand what reality is and how you can't take refuge in some medicated, delusional fantasy world. Other people are stupid and/or weak.
If you can't stop drinking then maybe you shouldn't stop drinking. What you're doing is creating an ideal, and ideals are imaginary.
If it's not easy then it's not meant to be. Effort will be counterproductive - think about anorexics and bulimics where it's all based on a delusion and the more you struggle the more you are caught.
Don't think about alcohol as a problem because it's not. The problem only starts when you force yourself to stop drinking. I wish I'd been oblivous to all this "helpful advice" about drinking when I was younger. I've been struggling with drinking for most of my adult life and it all started because when I was told that drinking was such a terrible thing.
My drinking's out of control - I guess your is. Obviously that doesn't prove causation - even so, it's strange that it's me that's the drunk rather than all my other friends who in their youth couldn't give a **** about whether they drank too much.
The solution to the "problem" creates the problem. Give up the "giving up," that's what I reckon.
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Originally Posted by taplow 
Don't think about alcohol as a problem because it's not. The problem only starts when you force yourself to stop drinking.
And if sobriety isn't your intention, why post here? A recovery forum? Perhaps a drinking forum would suit you better.
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Here we go, "why post here?" Alright Carl keep the alcohol forum to yourself then.
And yes, Ariesagain I do think that the pressure to stop drinking makes it a problem. The problem is in my head. I create the problem myself. My desire to stop creates my desire to drink obsessively.
And yes, Ariesagain I do think that the pressure to stop drinking makes it a problem. The problem is in my head. I create the problem myself. My desire to stop creates my desire to drink obsessively.
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Originally Posted by taplow
There's no disease here. People call themselves alcoholics so they can dignify their failings. Give it a label like they do with every unpleasant trait. I admit, I drink because I'm a weak minded ********.
I reckon it's just a sliding scale. We all like nice things, only some people don't behave sensibly around them. Most people are able to act like responsible adults. They've grown up to understand what reality is and how you can't take refuge in some medicated, delusional fantasy world. Other people are stupid and/or weak.
If you can't stop drinking then maybe you shouldn't stop drinking. What you're doing is creating an ideal, and ideals are imaginary.
If it's not easy then it's not meant to be. Effort will be counterproductive - think about anorexics and bulimics where it's all based on a delusion and the more you struggle the more you are caught.
Don't think about alcohol as a problem because it's not. The problem only starts when you force yourself to stop drinking. I wish I'd been oblivous to all this "helpful advice" about drinking when I was younger. I've been struggling with drinking for most of my adult life and it all started because when I was told that drinking was such a terrible thing.
My drinking's out of control - I guess your is. Obviously that doesn't prove causation - even so, it's strange that it's me that's the drunk rather than all my other friends who in their youth couldn't give a **** about whether they drank too much.
The solution to the "problem" creates the problem. Give up the "giving up," that's what I reckon.
I reckon it's just a sliding scale. We all like nice things, only some people don't behave sensibly around them. Most people are able to act like responsible adults. They've grown up to understand what reality is and how you can't take refuge in some medicated, delusional fantasy world. Other people are stupid and/or weak.
If you can't stop drinking then maybe you shouldn't stop drinking. What you're doing is creating an ideal, and ideals are imaginary.
If it's not easy then it's not meant to be. Effort will be counterproductive - think about anorexics and bulimics where it's all based on a delusion and the more you struggle the more you are caught.
Don't think about alcohol as a problem because it's not. The problem only starts when you force yourself to stop drinking. I wish I'd been oblivous to all this "helpful advice" about drinking when I was younger. I've been struggling with drinking for most of my adult life and it all started because when I was told that drinking was such a terrible thing.
My drinking's out of control - I guess your is. Obviously that doesn't prove causation - even so, it's strange that it's me that's the drunk rather than all my other friends who in their youth couldn't give a **** about whether they drank too much.
The solution to the "problem" creates the problem. Give up the "giving up," that's what I reckon.
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Originally Posted by taplow
I can't stop either. What does that prove? Maybe it proves that you've got a complex about it and they haven't. And it's a complex you have because you're always trying to control it.
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Originally Posted by FreedomCA
You admitted you can't stop drinking once you start. Stop analyzing why that is and keep it simple - stay away from the first drink.😀
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