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Originally Posted by taplow 
No, what i meant was, in what sentence was "is" used that made him wanted it defined.
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Originally Posted by taplow
Working makes me drink. I sober up when I'm working, and working puts the idea of drinking into my mind. When I'm not working, I see it as leisure time, which means it's time for drinking.
It's insanity.
It's insanity.
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Originally Posted by taplow
There's no disease here. People call themselves alcoholics so they can dignify their failings. Give it a label like they do with every unpleasant trait. I admit, I drink because I'm a weak minded ********.
I reckon it's just a sliding scale. We all like nice things, only some people don't behave sensibly around them. Most people are able to act like responsible adults. They've grown up to understand what reality is and how you can't take refuge in some medicated, delusional fantasy world. Other people are stupid and/or weak.
If you can't stop drinking then maybe you shouldn't stop drinking. What you're doing is creating an ideal, and ideals are imaginary.
If it's not easy then it's not meant to be. Effort will be counterproductive - think about anorexics and bulimics where it's all based on a delusion and the more you struggle the more you are caught.
Don't think about alcohol as a problem because it's not. The problem only starts when you force yourself to stop drinking. I wish I'd been oblivous to all this "helpful advice" about drinking when I was younger. I've been struggling with drinking for most of my adult life and it all started because when I was told that drinking was such a terrible thing.
My drinking's out of control - I guess your is. Obviously that doesn't prove causation - even so, it's strange that it's me that's the drunk rather than all my other friends who in their youth couldn't give a **** about whether they drank too much.
The solution to the "problem" creates the problem. Give up the "giving up," that's what I reckon.
I reckon it's just a sliding scale. We all like nice things, only some people don't behave sensibly around them. Most people are able to act like responsible adults. They've grown up to understand what reality is and how you can't take refuge in some medicated, delusional fantasy world. Other people are stupid and/or weak.
If you can't stop drinking then maybe you shouldn't stop drinking. What you're doing is creating an ideal, and ideals are imaginary.
If it's not easy then it's not meant to be. Effort will be counterproductive - think about anorexics and bulimics where it's all based on a delusion and the more you struggle the more you are caught.
Don't think about alcohol as a problem because it's not. The problem only starts when you force yourself to stop drinking. I wish I'd been oblivous to all this "helpful advice" about drinking when I was younger. I've been struggling with drinking for most of my adult life and it all started because when I was told that drinking was such a terrible thing.
My drinking's out of control - I guess your is. Obviously that doesn't prove causation - even so, it's strange that it's me that's the drunk rather than all my other friends who in their youth couldn't give a **** about whether they drank too much.
The solution to the "problem" creates the problem. Give up the "giving up," that's what I reckon.
i never tried to make my failings seem worthy or impressive.
if you cant stop drinking, then you should find help. never think you because you cant stop you should continue.
getting sober wasnt easy and it was meant to be for everyone.
alcohol was the common denominator in allof my problems.
the solution has given me a pretty nice life which wouldnt have come about if i didnt start living it. solutions never created problems for me
. my drunken,know-it-all, super intelligent ignorance kept me drunk,though.
sure hope ya come back tomorrow or when ya stop drinking. its a pretty nice life sober- one i think you'd enjoy.
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Originally Posted by PippoRossi
Dang. And here I thought you just said it was the thought of quitting that made you drink. I just checked, and I'm not the one drinking wine here, Taplow. You're not making sense, man. Not at all.
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Originally Posted by taplow
I've stopped before - I had nearly 8 years of sober misery until 2011 when I emerged from my shell. Don't get me wrong, I really want to get back in there.
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Originally Posted by taplow
Working makes me drink. I sober up when I'm working, and working puts the idea of drinking into my mind. When I'm not working, I see it as leisure time, which means it's time for drinking.
It's insanity.
It's insanity.
i can have the idea of drinking in my head, but it is me that acts on it,so its me that makes me drink.
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Originally Posted by tomsteve
i drank because i had untreated alcoholism.
i never tried to make my failings seem worthy or impressive.
if you cant stop drinking, then you should find help. never think you because you cant stop you should continue.
getting sober wasnt easy and it was meant to be for everyone.
alcohol was the common denominator in allof my problems.
the solution has given me a pretty nice life which wouldnt have come about if i didnt start living it. solutions never created problems for me
. my drunken,know-it-all, super intelligent ignorance kept me drunk,though.
sure hope ya come back tomorrow or when ya stop drinking. its a pretty nice life sober- one i think you'd enjoy.
i never tried to make my failings seem worthy or impressive.
if you cant stop drinking, then you should find help. never think you because you cant stop you should continue.
getting sober wasnt easy and it was meant to be for everyone.
alcohol was the common denominator in allof my problems.
the solution has given me a pretty nice life which wouldnt have come about if i didnt start living it. solutions never created problems for me
. my drunken,know-it-all, super intelligent ignorance kept me drunk,though.
sure hope ya come back tomorrow or when ya stop drinking. its a pretty nice life sober- one i think you'd enjoy.
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If you're saying you're the problem and not alcohol, then I agree...but thats about the only thing I can agree on here.
You're a really nice sensitive guy Taplow - but you don't half go on with some BS when you're drinking....
Getting sober and staying that way was the hardest thing I ever did - It took me 15 years to do it....but it was worth it. It still is.
If there's one thing I could exhort people to do - especially in this Newcomers forum - it's to NOT give up.
That goes double for you too Taplow.
Obviously whatever you're doing for your recovery isn't working...add some stuff, ask for help, face the fear, feel a little uncomfortable for a little while ...
increase the effort (not decrease) and you'l figure it out
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If it's not easy then it's not meant to be. Effort will be counterproductive -
Getting sober and staying that way was the hardest thing I ever did - It took me 15 years to do it....but it was worth it. It still is.
If there's one thing I could exhort people to do - especially in this Newcomers forum - it's to NOT give up.
That goes double for you too Taplow.
Obviously whatever you're doing for your recovery isn't working...add some stuff, ask for help, face the fear, feel a little uncomfortable for a little while ...
increase the effort (not decrease) and you'l figure it out
D
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Your post taplow has reminded me why I never want to go back to drinking... the underlying anger, jumbled and nonsensical thoughts that shine through while intoxicated... I don't ever want to experience that again.
So thanks and I hope you stop drinking toot sweet.
So thanks
and I hope you stop drinking toot sweet.
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Well, if you were happy drinking and were not worried about (or suffering from) the consequences, you would not have joined a recovery forum.
You can rationalize and analyze all you want but if drinking was agreeing with you, you would not be here.
Normal people who get tipsy don't post here to try to justify their actions; they just party a bit then move on with their lives.
I hope you will stay safe and get a good night of sleep. Try to drink a lot of water or gatorade to minimize the hangover.
You can rationalize and analyze all you want but if drinking was agreeing with you, you would not be here.
Normal people who get tipsy don't post here to try to justify their actions; they just party a bit then move on with their lives.
I hope you will stay safe and get a good night of sleep. Try to drink a lot of water or gatorade to minimize the hangover.
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Originally Posted by taplow
I can't stop either. What does that prove? Maybe it proves that you've got a complex about it and they haven't. And it's a complex you have because you're always trying to control it.
Causation is for scientific researchers to discover from analysing a lot of data. I would say recover first and worry about causation down the line.
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Originally Posted by PippoRossi
Dang. And here I thought you just said it was the thought of quitting that made you drink. I just checked, and I'm not the one drinking wine here, Taplow. You're not making sense, man. Not at all.
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Originally Posted by tomsteve
yes it is insanity, and part of the insanity is blaming people,places,and/or things for drinking.
i can have the idea of drinking in my head, but it is me that acts on it,so its me that makes me drink.
i can have the idea of drinking in my head, but it is me that acts on it,so its me that makes me drink.
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Originally Posted by Poppy79
Your post taplow has reminded me why I never want to go back to drinking... the underlying anger, jumbled and nonsensical thoughts that shine through while intoxicated... I don't ever want to experience that again.
So thanks and I hope you stop drinking toot sweet.
So thanks
and I hope you stop drinking toot sweet.
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