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Old 11-10-2014, 07:52 AM
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Alcoholics are a sub-species.

This isn't meant as an offensive post, just an observation. I see addicts being cared for, with fresh needles, new crack pipes, blankets etc. When it comes to alcoholics, we seem to be treated as the lowest of the low, beyond contempt. Even at the hospital, I see doctors and nurses looking down at these people, contemptuous, almost ridiculing. Like anyone grew up thinking, hey, I think I will be alcoholic when I get older. People think its because we lack will power, or are self centered, or unloving. Lacking morals, deserving what we got.
I am back, btw... I realize I cannot drink anymore. Breaking off a bad relationship with alcohol, alcohol was too controlling and abusive to my life. One week down.. glad to be back. Over most of the WD's..
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I have to agree with you on your observation. I have noticed that too. I certainly didn't wake up in hopes of becoming an alcoholic one day, that's for sure!


Good for you on getting through one week!
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You know, in the medical community, I have seen the opposite. Drunks get alot of sympathy and drug addicts are beyond contempt. This is especially true of pill addicts.
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People free of addictive behavior have no idea what it's like to be an addict. Alcohol, being socially acceptable, doesn't rate the sympathy that something like heroin does. Even now, as pot becomes legal and more socially acceptable, more people will bolt down the rabbit hole to addiction and soon become pariahs. "But, it's just pot!" Well, it was just beer before.
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Old 11-10-2014, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by losteverything View Post
This isn't meant as an offensive post, just an observation. I see addicts being cared for, with fresh needles, new crack pipes, blankets etc. When it comes to alcoholics, we seem to be treated as the lowest of the low, beyond contempt. Even at the hospital, I see doctors and nurses looking down at these people, contemptuous, almost ridiculing. Like anyone grew up thinking, hey, I think I will be alcoholic when I get older. People think its because we lack will power, or are self centered, or unloving. Lacking morals, deserving what we got.
I am back, btw... I realize I cannot drink anymore. Breaking off a bad relationship with alcohol, alcohol was too controlling and abusive to my life. One week down.. glad to be back. Over most of the WD's..
Not always true. I spent five hours in an ER Saturday, while I was there two people came in for alcohol detox, one in really bad shape. The one in bad shape was taken right in, and from all I saw was treated with the same level of compassion as everyone else in the ER, maybe even more, as they made him a priority.
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Congratulations on your week!!!!!
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Old 11-10-2014, 08:56 AM
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One of the BEST things about being FREE from Alcohol (and other life-controlling substances/defects of character) is that we don't have to be affected by whatever 'others' do, or what they think or say about us...because we are FREE from it...and we can CHOOSE to be the relevant factor in ANY situation.

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Lord, make me a channel of Your peace--that where there is hatred, I may bring love--that where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness--that where there is discord, I may bring harmony--that where there is error, I may bring truth--that where there is doubt, I may bring faith--that where there is despair, I may bring hope--that where there are shadows, I may bring light--that where there is sadness, I may bring joy.* Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted--to understand, than to be understood--to love, than to be loved.* For it is by self-forgetting that I may find.* It is by forgiving that I may be forgiven.* It is by dying that I may awaken to eternal life.* Amen
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RDBplus3....FREE from it, thank GOD
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Old 11-10-2014, 09:00 AM
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What other people think of me is none of my business.
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Welcome back. Good job on the week.

Opinions and people vary. It's important to try to focus your thoughts to the positives in life, if at all possible. I tend to the negative myself sometimes, with or without alcohol. Redirect negative energies and thoughts as best you can, this will usually get you the best results.

I wish you well.
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Old 11-10-2014, 09:27 AM
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I re-watched a great movie over the weekend regarding addiction. There was a scene where the female lead was upset with her lover for not disclosing the fact he was an addict...his "disease" to her. She herself had disclosed to him that she had battled cancer before they met and disclosed that on their first date.

His response as to why he did not tell her was great .. "with yours you get sympathy, with mine you get judgement".

How very true. Addiction begets judgement, the majority of the time.
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Old 11-10-2014, 09:43 AM
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His response as to why he did not tell her was great .. "with yours you get sympathy, with mine you get judgement". How very true. Addiction begets judgement, the majority of the time.
What movie is this, nuudawn?
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Old 11-10-2014, 09:58 AM
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This reminds me of "Under the Influence." They touched on this in the first chapter of the book...
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:54 AM
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Hey losteverything-
One week down.. glad to be back. Over most of the WD's..
Congrats on the first week!

My WDs were pretty much done within the first week or so myself, so I'm guessing once that's over with, then things might even be a bit easier for you.

~Nice job ~
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I have to say I've seen a lot of thing but I've yet to see new crack pipes handed out

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In Vancouver they even have crack pipe vending machines!

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I have to say I've seen a lot of thing but I've yet to see new crack pipes handed out

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Old 11-10-2014, 01:15 PM
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I think we as alcoholics should form lobbying a group!!! We are the drunkards, mad as hell and not going to take it anymore! We deserve equal rights!!! We wanted to be treated as good as junkies, Damn It!!!!

I'll start making bumper stickers......

Glad you're here ( me too ) Glad you're sober and Great Job on a week!! Let's focus on that, together.....

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D & Flynbuy you 2 said it all

that made me giggle ...Bumper stickers lol
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Abraham Lincoln addressed a group called the "Washingtonians " back in 18 something. (a sobriety fellowship that was the fore runner to AA)

Essentially he said something like "I do not understand your incredible thirst, but I admire your concern for one another "

In other words... Only alcoholic folk truly understand other alcoholic folk.

That's where the help is..... You may or may not get a lot of understanding or help from the medical community.

Medicine is yet to find a sufficient substitute for alcohol.... They merely have aids to withdraw us from it.

Staying permanently separated from alcohol is another matter entirely
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Old 11-10-2014, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Flynbuy View Post
I think we as alcoholics should form lobbying a group!!! We are the drunkards, mad as hell and not going to take it anymore! We deserve equal rights!!! We wanted to be treated as good as junkies, Damn It!!!!

I'll start making bumper stickers......


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Hilarious, Fly ! You always make me smile !
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So funny, Flynbuy Haha!!! Seriously, laughing over here.
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