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I agree that posts that talk about what works for the poster can be helpful, as compared to posts critical of any 'program of recovery'.
RR is Rational Recovery, and its tool is called AVRT, or Addictive Voice Recognition Technique. It's not a program, and it doesn't have organized meetings. You can learn more about it by googling the relevant terms, or by visiting our Secular Connections forum. I think that forum is the best online resource for AVRT/RR outside of the RR website with a lengthy and comprehensive discussion of AVRT, now sitting at around 2500 posts.
One person's understanding of AVRT is described in this: http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ined-long.html.
RR is Rational Recovery, and its tool is called AVRT, or Addictive Voice Recognition Technique. It's not a program, and it doesn't have organized meetings. You can learn more about it by googling the relevant terms, or by visiting our Secular Connections forum. I think that forum is the best online resource for AVRT/RR outside of the RR website with a lengthy and comprehensive discussion of AVRT, now sitting at around 2500 posts.
One person's understanding of AVRT is described in this: http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ined-long.html.
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In my experience sobriety is its own reward no matter how you get there. I naturally am a more honest person with others and with myself because I don't drink. I am a happier, well adjusted person because I don't drink. Use whatever program you want....Just don't drink/use.
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Originally Posted by littlefish 
Sometimes I think the urge to vent about aa is similar to walking into a bakery and describing all the reasons why you hate cake. Well, you don't have to go into the bakery and you don't have to like cake.
It's there if you want it, and it's not there if you don't want it.
It's there if you want it, and it's not there if you don't want it.
I could be wrong, but I think what this OP (as well as others) is criticizing isn't the cake. It's the attitude sometimes encountered in the cake-eating crowd that whether you like the cake or not, if you don't eat it, you'll fail.
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Originally Posted by Andante
The only way this analogy works is if you acknowledge that there is a pervasive, vocal faction amongst cake-eaters which insists that the only way to cure one's hunger is to go to the bakery, buy a cake, and eat it in precisely the manner that previous cake-eaters have done it, or else you shall surely DIE ! ! ! of your hunger.
I could be wrong, but I think what this OP (as well as others) is criticizing isn't the cake. It's the attitude sometimes encountered in the cake-eating crowd that whether you like the cake or not, if you don't eat it, you'll fail.
I could be wrong, but I think what this OP (as well as others) is criticizing isn't the cake. It's the attitude sometimes encountered in the cake-eating crowd that whether you like the cake or not, if you don't eat it, you'll fail.
That's just funny. Thanks for this.
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Originally Posted by Andante
I could be wrong, but I think what this OP (as well as others) is criticizing isn't the cake.
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Originally Posted by Lifes4Living
Fresh Start, thanks for the link to that post about AVRT and to you saying You Are NOT Powerless, I say Amen.
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Originally Posted by Lifes4Living
Fresh Start, thanks for the link to that post about AVRT and to you saying You Are NOT Powerless, I say Amen.
PS. The 1st step in AA asks that we admit we are powerless over alcohol. Period. That's very different than the assumption a lot of people make.
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Originally Posted by Andante
The only way this analogy works is if you acknowledge that there is a pervasive, vocal faction amongst cake-eaters which insists that the only way to cure one's hunger is to go to the bakery, buy a cake, and eat it in precisely the manner that previous cake-eaters have done it, or else you shall surely DIE ! ! ! of your hunger.
I could be wrong, but I think what this OP (as well as others) is criticizing isn't the cake. It's the attitude sometimes encountered in the cake-eating crowd that whether you like the cake or not, if you don't eat it, you'll fail.
I could be wrong, but I think what this OP (as well as others) is criticizing isn't the cake. It's the attitude sometimes encountered in the cake-eating crowd that whether you like the cake or not, if you don't eat it, you'll fail.
I think members on both sides of this argument can gush forth definitive, sweeping statements based on very little personal experience of the other method being criticized - which is why these threads often end up combative, and it's why we bought in the rule about debates here in the first place...
These threads may be peoples first exposure to various recovery methods. I think it's sensible to remember you're all ambassadors in that sense.
Anna and I have discussed it and we feel the issue has been dealt with sufficiently.
Please remember in future tho.
The Newcomers Forum is a safe and welcoming place for newcomers. Respect is essential.
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