Cocaine and Porn
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been there, done that, got a t-shirt.....and yes, you can stop cold turkey (on the cocaine)...take lots of vitamins, drink lots of water, try to keep busy, and take PMs if you get the shakes/agitations really bad...
thats what i did at least...abstaining from cocaine was much much more easier than the physical withdrawals from alcohol and pain pills....
nice thread name btw
thats what i did at least...abstaining from cocaine was much much more easier than the physical withdrawals from alcohol and pain pills....
nice thread name btw
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I think that they both stimulate the same part of the brain. Been there and done that too. I think sexual problems are a major cause in driving chemical addictions.
There are a lot of sexual integrity support programs out there that address these addictions.
There are a lot of sexual integrity support programs out there that address these addictions.
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If I'm coked out now is it safe to take the Advil PM? I'm going to kick this and need to find the inner will to do it on my own. This SR is my guidance and feel comfortable to ask here with people in the same situation
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Blessedness wrote: "I think that they both stimulate the same part of the brain. Been there and done that too. I think sexual problems are a major cause in driving chemical addictions.
I agree only with the first sentence, since I suspect that the "beast" (AV) likes sex. I once had a counselor tell me that sexual conflicts caused most of the drinking problems. He invited me to join his coeducational sex support group. I declined to do that and often wonder what might have transpired had I done so....
I am not under the impression that the "I drink because I have sex hang ups" theory has much mention in the large amount of addiction literature.
Reminds me of the old joke: "Don't drink, because drinking can lead to card playing. And card playing can lead to dancing!!!"
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I agree only with the first sentence, since I suspect that the "beast" (AV) likes sex. I once had a counselor tell me that sexual conflicts caused most of the drinking problems. He invited me to join his coeducational sex support group. I declined to do that and often wonder what might have transpired had I done so....
I am not under the impression that the "I drink because I have sex hang ups" theory has much mention in the large amount of addiction literature.
Reminds me of the old joke: "Don't drink, because drinking can lead to card playing. And card playing can lead to dancing!!!"
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There is much research and data to support that the same rewards you get from a line of coke you get from an orgasm and similarly in both examples the high is fleeting.
Personally, I can attest that as I stop one addiction, I try to fill with another. I think of my addictions as a merry go round of booze, drugs, sex, adrenaline inducing activities, running, music. When one stops, the next one spins around. In fact, SR could be added to the list. Some are good and some are bad. Sex addiction is just like a drug, your mind calls out for it but in reality you are chasing a high which is unobtainable for a fleeting dopamine release. This is why they say constant masterbation is really bad for a healthy sexual relationship and often is driven from the same obsession - your simply trying to most efficiently get to the orgasm but its not fulfilled.
As I have written in many other threads, addiction is much about a broken spirit, I believe AA calls it a Maladay. Understanding ones self and not being a slave to your own mind (read The Power of Now) and opening up the spiritual path to a higher power is the only way to truly recover.
There is also early science that invasive laser therapy in the frontal lobe of the brain can cure addiction to cocaine in rats, so we will have to see how this progresses too. I for one am a big proponent of light therapy.
Personally, I can attest that as I stop one addiction, I try to fill with another. I think of my addictions as a merry go round of booze, drugs, sex, adrenaline inducing activities, running, music. When one stops, the next one spins around. In fact, SR could be added to the list. Some are good and some are bad. Sex addiction is just like a drug, your mind calls out for it but in reality you are chasing a high which is unobtainable for a fleeting dopamine release. This is why they say constant masterbation is really bad for a healthy sexual relationship and often is driven from the same obsession - your simply trying to most efficiently get to the orgasm but its not fulfilled.
As I have written in many other threads, addiction is much about a broken spirit, I believe AA calls it a Maladay. Understanding ones self and not being a slave to your own mind (read The Power of Now) and opening up the spiritual path to a higher power is the only way to truly recover.
There is also early science that invasive laser therapy in the frontal lobe of the brain can cure addiction to cocaine in rats, so we will have to see how this progresses too. I for one am a big proponent of light therapy.
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The 'beast' is our drive for pleasure gone wonky, and is manifest in all sorts of addiction and troublesome behavior. The pleasure drive is an aspect of our survival instinct, and is normal in that sense, but it can drive our actions in ways that threaten our existence, and THAT is not normal.
I had a problem with cocaine a decade or two ago, and moved through and past it by understanding it, recognizing it, and separating my 'self' from the urge for it. It wasn't until I got buried under alcohol that I learned what I had done was similar to AVRT, or addictive voice recognition technique. I used that technique to quit drinking too.
It might be something that you want to look into. I recommend it.
I had a problem with cocaine a decade or two ago, and moved through and past it by understanding it, recognizing it, and separating my 'self' from the urge for it. It wasn't until I got buried under alcohol that I learned what I had done was similar to AVRT, or addictive voice recognition technique. I used that technique to quit drinking too.
It might be something that you want to look into. I recommend it.
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I agree that sex and addiction are both intimately involved with the so called "beast" in the more primitive part of the brain. The main thing I disagree with however, is my former counselor's suggestion that problems with sex are the primary cause of alcoholism and if one could resolve sex problems one would not drink. To stop drinking more is required than simply joining a sex support group, however enjoyable that might become!
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Addiction to Porn is not healthy. It is desensitizing you to natural emotions and will reduce your ability to feel true intimacy after the act of sex. Excessive masterbation usually done while watching porn is also not healthy and will further undermine any relationship you are in or will be in.
I would also suggest that the addiction to porn or watching other people have sex is a detachment to your own life - living vicariously in the pixilated images on a screen. I am no expert but none of that sounds healthy and seems to suggest compulsive behavior reminiscent of what we do with drugs or drinking etc. One addiction for another.
I would also suggest that the addiction to porn or watching other people have sex is a detachment to your own life - living vicariously in the pixilated images on a screen. I am no expert but none of that sounds healthy and seems to suggest compulsive behavior reminiscent of what we do with drugs or drinking etc. One addiction for another.
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Still not convinced. I can understand the addiction to sex can be self destructive. But knocking one out to a bit of porn even daily surely isn't that bad?
This smacks of archaic religious beliefs that "self abuse" makes one evil.
This smacks of archaic religious beliefs that "self abuse" makes one evil.
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You asked I posted - I am no expert. Perhaps you are not addicted to Porn and thus my comments would not apply. In moderation, I would not see a tremendous problem with Porn other than it objectifies and dehumanizes women, and has the potential to turn you into a misogynist. If the goal is to be in a healthy relationship with your SO I am not sure how Porn helps.
Here are some ways porn addiction differs from sex addiction:
1. Sex addiction involves real people; Internet porn addiction involves a screen. Porn addicts are hooked on pixels/searching/constant visual novelty. In contrast, sex addicts are hooked on novel partners, voyeurism, frottage, flashing, risky sex, and so forth; porn may or may not supplement other behaviors.
2. Internet porn addiction is more akin to video-game addiction than sex addiction. It often does not spill over into other sexual activity. In fact, many heavy porn users cannot become aroused by real women—even women they find sexually attractive. Comparing a porn addict to a sex addict is like comparing a World of Warcraft enthusiast to a Las Vegas high-roller.
3. Internet porn addicts often comment that they would like a steady girlfriend, or, if they have a mate, that they want to respond sexually to her. Sex addicts want a variety of partners. They are hooked on novel people rather than novel pixels.
4. Sexual performance woes are a common complaint among Internet porn addicts. We typically don't hear about severe sexual performance problems among sex addicts.
5. Porn addiction appears to be increasing as access to high-speed porn during teen years increases, although some older guys also report developing the addiction after switching to high-speed Internet.
In sum, a sex addict's pursuit of living people is over the top, while a porn addict is largely missing out on 3-D action. In effect, porn proves "sex negative" for many users.
Here are some ways porn addiction differs from sex addiction:
1. Sex addiction involves real people; Internet porn addiction involves a screen. Porn addicts are hooked on pixels/searching/constant visual novelty. In contrast, sex addicts are hooked on novel partners, voyeurism, frottage, flashing, risky sex, and so forth; porn may or may not supplement other behaviors.
2. Internet porn addiction is more akin to video-game addiction than sex addiction. It often does not spill over into other sexual activity. In fact, many heavy porn users cannot become aroused by real women—even women they find sexually attractive. Comparing a porn addict to a sex addict is like comparing a World of Warcraft enthusiast to a Las Vegas high-roller.
3. Internet porn addicts often comment that they would like a steady girlfriend, or, if they have a mate, that they want to respond sexually to her. Sex addicts want a variety of partners. They are hooked on novel people rather than novel pixels.
4. Sexual performance woes are a common complaint among Internet porn addicts. We typically don't hear about severe sexual performance problems among sex addicts.
5. Porn addiction appears to be increasing as access to high-speed porn during teen years increases, although some older guys also report developing the addiction after switching to high-speed Internet.
In sum, a sex addict's pursuit of living people is over the top, while a porn addict is largely missing out on 3-D action. In effect, porn proves "sex negative" for many users.
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Originally Posted by jdooner 
I see - sounds like your former counselor was Freudian in his beliefs. I would agree with you and thanks for clarifying.
I agree that the sexual act is said to result in the release of dopamine in the brain, which may result from other addictive substances, such as cocaine (also heroin?). Alcohol also affects the neurotransmitters and the receptors. I've never taken cocaine, heroin or any unlawful drug but I've been told that the rush obtained is similar to sex.
The "beast" loves sex, booze, cocaine, heroin, marijuana. The "beast" loves to party! Does he like rock music? Hard rock? Gangsta rock? The beast will take all your troubles away and get you ready for your trip to hell! You'll learn that the Civil War didn't end slavery. By the time he's through you'll wish you'd be back picking cotton.
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