Allen Carr book?
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Originally Posted by TexasMichael 
Check out the founder of Moderation Management - Audrey Kishline. I think the multi-state organisation is still around. Audrey is no longer involved. Whether it is 10 days, or 10 years, Moderation is a MYTH and always eventually fails.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14627442/n.../#.UlL3yDK9KK0
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Audrey quit Moderation Management and became an AA member. Then she drove her car and killed those people. A lot of people seem to not know that or forget to mention it. MM works wonders for SOME people. But I found it to be akin to perpetual foreplay... it left me all flustered.
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Thanks for the link Tang. That is the video I was talking about. Clearlight posted it several weeks ago and I could not find it.
Anyone thinking about moderation should read the story and watch the short video first.
Wasn't trying to distact from Gingermans thread. The Allen Carr book sounds interesting and I intend to read it.
Anyone thinking about moderation should read the story and watch the short video first.
Wasn't trying to distact from Gingermans thread. The Allen Carr book sounds interesting and I intend to read it.
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Originally Posted by digdug
I find her story so full of irony and sadness.
Cunning, baffling and powerful. That's all I can really say.
Cunning, baffling and powerful. That's all I can really say.
Fun reads.
Yes...sickeningly sad story...not much new pops up for Kishline on searches.
Her getting only 3 1/2 years for killing two people I think is the travesty.
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I thought it was a good read but I don't think the target audience is the addicted alcoholic. Mr. Carr seems to minimize alcohol withdrawal calling it "like a case of the flu". That's fine for the heavy drinker or problem drinker who wants to quit but is, in my opinion, inappropriate for the alcoholic who needs medical detox.
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Influenza is a serious disease, so let's not discount its severity. As many as 49,000 people (CDC) in the US have died in one year from flu, compared to about 27,000 deaths annually (CDC) from alcohol related illnesses. While some influenza cases do not require hospitalization, many do, and some still die in spite of medical intervention.
I don't think that Carr is suggesting that those at risk for serious withdrawal symptoms not seek medical care. If you or anyone you know is quitting alcohol, they should speak with their doctor to see if medical care is right for them.
I enjoyed Carr's book and found it important to my sobriety. I feel that, as an addicted alcoholic, I was definitely square in the target demographic. I recommend it, and suggest it to anyone who is looking to quit drinking.
I don't think that Carr is suggesting that those at risk for serious withdrawal symptoms not seek medical care. If you or anyone you know is quitting alcohol, they should speak with their doctor to see if medical care is right for them.
I enjoyed Carr's book and found it important to my sobriety. I feel that, as an addicted alcoholic, I was definitely square in the target demographic. I recommend it, and suggest it to anyone who is looking to quit drinking.
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