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Old 05-19-2013, 07:53 PM
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I'm into social media analysis so I keep an active account in order to keep pace with industry trends. But it's really not a place for ANYTHING personal, you have to be verrry careful with it these days. I watch from the sidelines in horror when I see friends over-sharing personal information - as a former hiring manager, I always took a quick look at an applicant's facebook or twitter pages. And that's not even the tip of the iceberg. Facebook is an uncapped, unregulated well of information and it's being exploited by GOD KNOWS WHOM for GOD KNOWS WHAT as we speak.

Glad you plan to keep your recovery blog in an anonymous setting.
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:03 PM
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I never mention recovery on facebook. The friends that I'm close with know what's going on and the acquaintances don't need to. Just my take.
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fantail View Post
I do this for work, I'm not a Facebook junkie by choice!

Hypo -- Facebook now works with one of the companies that Google uses to focus its ads: Chango Deal With Facebook Uses Google Data - Business Insider

Which basically means that all the user data that already slants what you see on Google now affects Facebook ads too. I do all my sobriety related stuff in a private browsing tab so that I don't get overwhelmed by ads for rehab centers.

James -- Sounds like you've already come to this conclusion... but FB isn't the right place for a sobriety journal. Facebook is irrevocably tied to your full name and internet persona, and they have made it very clear that they believe that privacy is an antiquated concept. It's already public enough, but it's impossible to predict in a few years how data will be linked even further. Nothing should be put on FB, including in the private messages, that you would not want a future employer finding when they search your name in a few years. Given how touchy addiction is as a subject, I think it's best to avoid in a public forum. Keep it to email, SR, and an anonymous blog on Blogger or Tumblr if you'd like... ideally with a screen name you don't use elsewhere on the web.
Sorry, off topic. But it there some truth the the rumour that private messages will be able
To be seen one day by all?
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:49 PM
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I was just wondering if anyone uses Facebook as part of their support network for stopping drinking?...

...Does anyone else do something similar and are their any useful pages or groups on there (I found the forum one)...
FB dose have some AA groups, I belong to a couple "WE Agnostics AA" groups. Its more of a chat group than a recovery forum here at SR
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Old 05-20-2013, 02:05 AM
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I think in this case the cons outweigh the pros. I deleted my last account fpr reasons that have all been mentioned in this thread and am not going to get another one.

One of the reasons I thought it might be a good idea was that it's something more 'portable' - I could have it on my phone, have access to some support while I'm out & about/away from the pc. I just found the forum app though so it no longer matters. I'm a bit of a tech nerd too and like playing with my phone!
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Old 05-20-2013, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Midlifecrisis View Post
Sorry, off topic. But it there some truth the the rumour that private messages will be able
To be seen one day by all?
That was a slip that actually happened. Last year FB released a new format to their profile pages, called "timeline". As part of it, old private messages from years ago showed up publicly. (I think from 2008 prior). It was an accident but they didn't fix it as far as I know. I can still go back on my own timeline and see messages that were clearly private. (Thank goodness all of them consist of very boring "let's hang out next time I'm home" type messages).

So, while they don't have plans to do that again, I think that incident was a good indication of how they treat data. They have pretty consistently shown that they will constantly push things to be more public, so I treat even private messages as potentially public.
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Old 05-20-2013, 04:40 AM
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Posting on facebook is breaking AA tradition, though many people choose to ignore that as there aren't any rules, only suggestions. AA saved my life so I do my best to respect it. The steps are for my own personal growth and safety, the traditions are generally for the safety of AA as a whole, but they do also protect us as individuals. I learned a lot about anonymity in my second year sober when I shared at a table with a bunch of old timers that I was considering breaking it in a college class. Got to hear everyone's experience, and then still went on to learn a bit on my own. Basically what I got from that table is that our anonymity shouldn't be broken for any self serving reasons. And those reasons can often disguise themselves real well. We should also thoroughly check our motives before deciding to break our anonymity. Many times, at least for me, I had a desire to do so to feel just a little bit different or seperated from the rest. A subtle ego thing going on.

What I learned from my own experience is that even when we think we're really safe sharing the fact that we're recovering alcoholics, it can come back and slap us pretty hard upside the head. My first sober job was at a deli. I became friends with everyone there. No problem letting them all know my story. When I was having a rough go one time because of the loss of a friend, guess what they were thinking. I started getting accused of things missing from the store, and stuff got ugly. Point is that I never expected it.

Employers use facebook, as do a plethora of other people these days to get information on people. Lots and lots of people see the things we post and we don't have a clue what the repurcussions of that could be. We understand alcoholism and recovery. A lot of the sober world doesn't. Even being in recovery, if I had to choose between 2 equal candidates for an employee (or tenant, as I do have to), and one was sober a year, the other had no alcohol problem - I'd have to go with the person with no problem.

But forgetting about all that, bottom line is we say we're from AA, then anything we say after that can get associated with AA also. People can form opinions from our opinions and it can be hurtful to AA as a whole. And should one of us drink, then we did a fine job of advertising just why AA doesn't work. Lots of reasons it ain't such a grand idea to go posting on facebook.

Thought I'd cut and paste the importand part of the link I posted yesterday. Had a little more time this morning.... what's below is from the general service board of AA. Not me. A lot more in the link.
GENERAL SOCIAL NETWORKING WEB SITES

Facebook and other social networking Web sites are public in nature. Though users create accounts and utilize usernames and passwords, once on the site, it is a public medium where A.A. members and non-A.A.s mingle.

As long as individuals do not identify themselves as A.A. members, there is no conflict of interest. However, someone using their full name and/or a likeness, such as a full-face photograph, would be contrary to the spirit of the Eleventh Tradition, which states in the Long Form that, "Öour [last] names and pictures as A.A. members ought not be broadcast, filmed or publicly printed."

Experience suggests that it is in keeping with the Eleventh Tradition not to disclose A.A. membership on social networking sites as well as on any other Web site, blog, electronic bulletin board, etc., that is not composed solely of A.A. members and not password protected, or is accessible to the public.

Web sites social networking offer individuals the chance to post a great deal of personal information about themselves (and others). Our experience suggests that some A.A. members do not post anything that is "A.A. jargon" on their personal profiles and in "status updates," while others feel it is alright to do so as long as A.A. or Alcoholics Anonymous specifically is not mentioned.

These Web sites often allow users to create social networking "groups" and the ability to invite others to "events" for like-minded individuals. Some A.A.s have chosen to create A.A.-related groups. Since this is a
relatively new medium, A.A. members are frequently "learning as they go," and technology and applications change practically on a daily basis. Our experience has shown that the evolving nature of social networking platforms makes it difficult to provide specific guidelines for using such resources for A.A. purposes. Any A.A. group or member that is thinking about entering this public arena should closely consider the privacy policies of such sites, in light of A.A.ís tradition of anonymity. For example, social networking sites often provide full names and pictures of group members, contrary to A.A.ís practice of avoiding such disclosures in public media. Even "closed" or "private" groups might still reveal an individualís identity. Being well-informed
prior to joining or starting such a group is the key to protecting your own anonymity, and that of others.
G.S.O. has received numerous complaints from concerned A.A. members regarding anonymity breaks online, inappropriate use of the A.A. name, and copyrighted materials and protected trademarks being improperly used on Facebook and other social networking Web sites. No local online A.A. or non-A.A. entity should purport itself to be a spokesperson for A.A. or act as if they represent the General Service Office, A.A.W.S., or the General Service Board. Each A.A. entity is autonomous and encouraged to make decisions by informed group conscience decision in light of the guidance provided in our Twelve Traditions.

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Old 05-20-2013, 09:10 AM
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Because FB is public, and searchable on google, and because it uses my name, and I'm connected to friends and family.. no way. That part of my life is private and intimate, I have absolutely no interest in sharing that part of myself so publicly. I use this forum to connect to others in recovery and to provide support. One of many hats that I wear at work is to moderate and interact on FB (and LinkedIn, a few other places). I am constantly reminding people who post on our page that it isn't private, they are often horrified that what they share, despite their privacy settings can be seen by such a large audience. I put nothing on my FB page that I don't want my family, boss or anyone else to see.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:51 AM
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I've shut down FB all together.
Keeping my life small and erasing a large part of my social past is something I had to do in order to keep sober.

My sober-community is SR, which is more then enough.

I keep a journal, partly about recovery, but its handwritten for they are my personal thoughts so its unnecassesary to share them.
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:07 PM
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Keeping my life small and erasing a large part of my social past is something I had to do in order to keep sober.
Well said! I very much identify with this. I hadn't heard it put that way before: "keeping my life small". That is a great way to explain it. I always used the term "simplifying my life", but that wasn't totally accurate because life in sobriety isn't that simple!
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