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Old 02-20-2013, 06:11 AM
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I need some structure...

I've decided I need some structure in my life. I've found myself in a complete downward spiral of bleugh in the last couple of weeks, culminating this morning in sitting for hours doing nothing but looking at random rubbish on t'interweb... It started off well, up and out at 8 to take DD to nursery, but I came home and just sat. I may as well have been staring at the walls dribbling.

I don't think it is all alcohol related, I've had periods like this before and have literally had to make lists and a timetable every morning.

SO... my bright idea (ha!) is to use this thread to witter away to myself, post first thing about what needs doing, what I can do to help myself feel better during the day (i.e just go for a walk!) and give myself a kick up the bum as and when needed.

Things I will not do are:

Spend all morning on SR - no offense.
Spend all afternoon on SR - no offense.
Spend all night on SR - no offense.

I will also not check Facebook every 30 minutes to see if my 83 year old Nan has taken her turn at Scrabble, as invariably she won't have done, which indicates to me that (even) she is doing far more productive, sociable things than me!

I will though:

Start the day with a healthy breakfast at a decent time, not survive on cups of tea 'til midday then wonder why I'm tired and irritable with blood sugar levels going haywire.

Check in to SR (but not for hours at a time)

Not delay making phone calls regarding bills/banking/house/anything

Do some exercise everyday even if it's just a quick walk.

I can see the flaw in my plan in that it's an online forum and I could log on and claim what a brilliant day - I hiked 20 miles through dense dangerous wilderness, tamed a wild horse and built an orphanage... But it would be handy to feel a little accountable to myself even if nobody else.

Of course if anybody else feels like this could help them have a more productive day feel free to join in

Right - I'm going to phone the bank. NOW.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:22 AM
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The art of procrastination comes in many forms.

Take me for instance. I make lists of things I need to do nearly every sober Saturday. The list seems long because I put on it quick simple things like water the plants.

I water them religiously since I have a green thumb. But by putting that on the list I get to cross off more things by midday than if I left off things I always do.

Somehow I feel as though I accomplished something and can then relax.

Did I procrastinate? Not exactly. Did I accomplished the bigger things that were on the last two weeks list? Not exactly.



When I do the things I am supposed to then I have a sense of relief. Then I have time to do nothing again!
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Weasel1966 View Post
The art of procrastination comes in many forms.

Take me for instance. I make lists of things I need to do nearly every sober Saturday. The list seems long because I put on it quick simple things like water the plants.

I water them religiously since I have a green thumb. But by putting that on the list I get to cross off more things by midday than if I left off things I always do.

Somehow I feel as though I accomplished something and can then relax.

Did I procrastinate? Not exactly. Did I accomplished the bigger things that were on the last two weeks list? Not exactly.



When I do the things I am supposed to then I have a sense of relief. Then I have time to do nothing again!
Aha! And this is what I am hoping to achieve

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking to run myself ragged... but it would be nice to chill with a book without any niggling - should have done this, you haven't done that, this REALLY needs doing...

By the time that has all whirred through my head I'm into a state of no point in doing anything now.

Bank was relatively painless - one standing order cancelled - cross that off the list.

I do think procrastination is an artform for me. One that is ultimately unhealthy though - I can put off anything and everything!

Right time to shift my bum and get off SR too - have 6 chicken breasts that need cooking today, have had all morning to do it... Curry for tomorrow and Peri Peri for tonight. Watch me go lol.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:34 AM
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Great plan ..... Structure helps me a ton too. And MTN thinking about your 83 year old nan not taking her scrabble turn made me chuckle this AM

I make lists constantly and put little things on it like water the plants, wash the sheets etc. then cross them off. Like Weasel says its a feeling of accomplishment
Then I can relax, and start making my new list hee
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:36 AM
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I heard an NBA start who got hurt say when he lost his structure......he became destructive........
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:38 AM
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There are wild horses in the UK?

While only partially of German descent, I think it dominates. I can remember as a young child telling my grandmother, "I'm bored," as if she was going to play a game with me or something. Her response? "You're just the guy I am looking for - grab a rag and start scrubbing those baseboards." You learned to stay busy in my family.

You told us you fell off the wagon the other day, before you'd even hit the ground. Seems unlikely you'd lie to us about orphans. Just sayin'.

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Old 02-20-2013, 08:04 AM
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This post was exactly what I needed to read. I have no self-discipline; I never have, never had it instilled in me as a child and my adult life is basically self-will run riot. For me alcoholism runs far deeper than alcohol; yes I am addicted to the substance, I can't have just one or just five, but I also have no self-discipline. So things fall apart, and I feel bad about myself and my self esteem drops, and I feel overwhelmed and anxious and scared, and people get upset with me, and being a creature of instant gratification - BAM! The bar will fix everything! I'll feel in control, ironically, and I'll feel happy again and get my attention fix and the anxiety is gone and I wallow in that feeling until I pass out and ruin the next few days. Then come back to SR or a meeting with my head down.

Just saying that for me, I've recently learned that self-discipline is so important in preventing myself from heading into the cycle that will make it very easy for me to rationalize the bar/booze.

What's working for me so far is to not get overwhelmed and bite off more than I can chew and fail. I have to make a list of everything I have to do and then break the list down into very manageable bite sized chunks for each day. Ridiculously small. So that I won't fail and most likely might even deliver more to myself than I promised myself and that makes me proud of myself, and I need all I can get of that these days.

Someone just mentioned to me that it's tax time. I freaked inside. My train of thought was automatically "OH MY GOD SWEET JESUS HOW THE HELL AM I GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS NOW CHRIST ONE MORE THING OMG I'M NEVER GOING TO GET THIS DONE I'M GOING TO FAIL I'LL LOSE MY HOUSE AND BE HOMELESS AND DIE AAAAAHHHHHHH". Then I took a deep breath, realized this takes one phone call, and put a post-it on my work phone to take care of on my lunch.

Anyway thanks for posting this... I feel like I turned this into all about me, which I did, and I'm sorry but it was just such a great post to read and the timing was perfect because I'm just starting to realize this about myself and deal with it.

Congratulations on your progress and on your hard work. Now I've spent too much time writing this here on SR and I'm at work, so I clearly have a long way to go in the self-discipline department................... ha.



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I've decided I need some structure in my life. I've found myself in a complete downward spiral of bleugh in the last couple of weeks, culminating this morning in sitting for hours doing nothing but looking at random rubbish on t'interweb... It started off well, up and out at 8 to take DD to nursery, but I came home and just sat. I may as well have been staring at the walls dribbling.

I don't think it is all alcohol related, I've had periods like this before and have literally had to make lists and a timetable every morning.

SO... my bright idea (ha!) is to use this thread to witter away to myself, post first thing about what needs doing, what I can do to help myself feel better during the day (i.e just go for a walk!) and give myself a kick up the bum as and when needed.

Things I will not do are:

Spend all morning on SR - no offense.
Spend all afternoon on SR - no offense.
Spend all night on SR - no offense.

I will also not check Facebook every 30 minutes to see if my 83 year old Nan has taken her turn at Scrabble, as invariably she won't have done, which indicates to me that (even) she is doing far more productive, sociable things than me!

I will though:

Start the day with a healthy breakfast at a decent time, not survive on cups of tea 'til midday then wonder why I'm tired and irritable with blood sugar levels going haywire.

Check in to SR (but not for hours at a time)

Not delay making phone calls regarding bills/banking/house/anything

Do some exercise everyday even if it's just a quick walk.

I can see the flaw in my plan in that it's an online forum and I could log on and claim what a brilliant day - I hiked 20 miles through dense dangerous wilderness, tamed a wild horse and built an orphanage... But it would be handy to feel a little accountable to myself even if nobody else.

Of course if anybody else feels like this could help them have a more productive day feel free to join in

Right - I'm going to phone the bank. NOW.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:22 AM
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"OH MY GOD SWEET JESUS HOW THE HELL AM I GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS NOW CHRIST ONE MORE THING OMG I'M NEVER GOING TO GET THIS DONE I'M GOING TO FAIL I'LL LOSE MY HOUSE AND BE HOMELESS AND DIE AAAAAHHHHHHH". Then I took a deep breath, realized this takes one phone call, and put a post-it on my work phone to take care of on my lunch.
This was a great thread for me today - Someone very smart on SR said that "when a drunk gets a flat tire they call an ambulance while a sober person calls AAA."
Your tax "freak out" reminds me of that, and I so relate! Its like our poor little neurons cant handle one more thing....and yet...we can, if we just chill out and think a bit.

I make lists and meta lists and lists about the lists i didn't get to and then cross off things on old lists I find...its practically my OCD.

In fact I have three lists in front of me - paralyzing me - while my coffee gets cold and the dog keeps deep sighing because "what about Me"? Yet here I am on SR...and not walking the dog and attacking the day with full out gusto.

I want to be zen, I should put on my list but then I get upset because I cant be and that means its a line I cant cross off....round and round.

Glad I'm not the only one too!

49 days I have sober...not gonna lose that. I can put that on my list and check it off, come on Jackson lets go for that walk (check).

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Old 02-20-2013, 08:27 AM
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Thanks everybody for the replies - there was me thinking I was off on a waffling one again

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There are wild horses in the UK?
I very much doubt it seeing as at least two of our 100% beef products have been found to be 100% horse, and numerous others tested positively for horsemeat! Not that I have ever eaten a readymeal or any of that crap

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You told us you fell off the wagon the other day, before you'd even hit the ground. Seems unlikely you'd lie to us about orphans. Just sayin'.

Ever consider 3-dimensional bacon sculpting?
LOL! No, I can honestly say it's never crossed my mind, but I'm sure come the weekend thread I can post a pic of something

And yeah... I'm the worst drunk and worst liar, so no I won't be posting anything way out - infact this thread could become very dull very soon... but got both dinners cooked, the kids ate the curry out of choice and no doubt my teen will manage to demolish a couple of fajitas later.

It took me 37 years to learn the secret of a good curry is tons of onions and garlic blended with the spices to make your own paste before adding back to whatever vegetables/meat.. It was rather nice, and super quick to cook
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:32 AM
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This post was exactly what I needed to read. I have no self-discipline; I never have, never had it instilled in me as a child and my adult life is basically self-will run riot. For me alcoholism runs far deeper than alcohol; yes I am addicted to the substance, I can't have just one or just five, but I also have no self-discipline. So things fall apart, and I feel bad about myself and my self esteem drops, and I feel overwhelmed and anxious and scared, and people get upset with me, and being a creature of instant gratification - BAM! The bar will fix everything! I'll feel in control, ironically, and I'll feel happy again and get my attention fix and the anxiety is gone and I wallow in that feeling until I pass out and ruin the next few days. Then come back to SR or a meeting with my head down.

Just saying that for me, I've recently learned that self-discipline is so important in preventing myself from heading into the cycle that will make it very easy for me to rationalize the bar/booze.

What's working for me so far is to not get overwhelmed and bite off more than I can chew and fail. I have to make a list of everything I have to do and then break the list down into very manageable bite sized chunks for each day. Ridiculously small. So that I won't fail and most likely might even deliver more to myself than I promised myself and that makes me proud of myself, and I need all I can get of that these days.

Someone just mentioned to me that it's tax time. I freaked inside. My train of thought was automatically "OH MY GOD SWEET JESUS HOW THE HELL AM I GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS NOW CHRIST ONE MORE THING OMG I'M NEVER GOING TO GET THIS DONE I'M GOING TO FAIL I'LL LOSE MY HOUSE AND BE HOMELESS AND DIE AAAAAHHHHHHH". Then I took a deep breath, realized this takes one phone call, and put a post-it on my work phone to take care of on my lunch.

Anyway thanks for posting this... I feel like I turned this into all about me, which I did, and I'm sorry but it was just such a great post to read and the timing was perfect because I'm just starting to realize this about myself and deal with it.

Congratulations on your progress and on your hard work. Now I've spent too much time writing this here on SR and I'm at work, so I clearly have a long way to go in the self-discipline department................... ha.
This is great to log on to and read! I'm so glad I posted now.

Like you I'm going for bite sized chunks. I do have a whole - I need to build Rome in a DAY complex - so all or nothing, but even if I get a through a list of 3 phone calls that I've put off for weeks I'll be happy.

All the best to you and keep posting, my stuff will be really inane but it's good to feel a sense of having done something - anything rather than get overwhelmed by it all!

Ps Your last post made me literally LOL you got to work though - that's a good thing!
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:33 AM
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Enjoy your walk Pataphor and Jackson
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No recovery activities besides logging onto SR, which you want to reduce? Hmmm.

Here's a void that could be filled, productively.
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I just wrote a long winded post on how I can totally relate.

But then I realized for me there might be a nutritional component to my situation.
I've gotten into coconut oil and oil pulling lately. Some will say it sounds crazy, but I love natural health and will try anything for a bit.

I did it for a while, had lots of energy, got out of my funk then stopped for a few weeks. Started up again yesterday once I finally got out of bed and had a pretty productive day. Today I have energy and know I will get some things accomplished.

I'm not putting away the computer, but will make a list of what I want/need to do and get to it.
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No recovery activities besides logging onto SR, which you want to reduce? Hmmm.

Here's a void that could be filled, productively.
Oh there is always one isn't there?

Big sigh.

Actually I consider spending hours online detrimental to me when I could be cleaning, decorating, going for a walk, doing some chopping in the garden preparing for the Spring that keeps threatening then disappearing (whatever takes my fancy really).

I think I know myself and my needs a little better than you do DGC
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Things I will not do are:

Spend all morning on SR - no offense.
Spend all afternoon on SR - no offense.
Spend all night on SR - no offense.
My biggest problem with procrastination is that I blame it on my wife. She is the same way. Oh, well, at least we're not drinking...

This is post 777 for me, I've been a SR member about 70 days. I used to be addicted to a weather forum. There are 168-hour weather forecasts generated by computers that invariably predict blizzards, heat waves, or hurricanes--and usually 168 hours later, the weather is flurries, fair, or fresh breezes. On weather forums, people speculate about a future out of their control. Oh, I also liked internet porn. I justify my SR addiction by believing I can help others have a better future.

It is a problem because I should be getting exercise and chopping wood. But I'm losing weight and our home is warm with a full wood rack. It is a problem when I make posts that are not supportive or sarcastic--that is a character defect that needs some work.

Back to blaming it on my wife (and the weather). It's 9 am here, raining and 41° F (5° C). Wife was up until 4 am reading, so she won't be up until noon and will cook breakfast at about 2 pm.

So I'm going to throw another log on the fire, brew another cup of coffee, and make a couple more posts. And (no offense) I will honestly try not to spend all day here. Oh, well, at least I'm not drinking...
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:22 AM
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Wow.

Absolutely wow.

I'm not suggesting anybody stop reading and posting on SR... for me though it is detrimental to be sat down all day every day (and night).

I would have had a month sober in 3 days were it not for one bottle of wine. I wonder if the tone would be different had I been able to post - 1 month today!

Probably not.

Oh well, at least I'm not drinking either.
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I just wrote a long winded post on how I can totally relate.

But then I realized for me there might be a nutritional component to my situation.
I've gotten into coconut oil and oil pulling lately. Some will say it sounds crazy, but I love natural health and will try anything for a bit.

I did it for a while, had lots of energy, got out of my funk then stopped for a few weeks. Started up again yesterday once I finally got out of bed and had a pretty productive day. Today I have energy and know I will get some things accomplished.

I'm not putting away the computer, but will make a list of what I want/need to do and get to it.
I need to do the same Hanna, I felt so much better taking a multi-vitamin everyday, needless to say I've run out and it's on my to-do list LOL.

I'm not putting the computer away either. I was being literal when I said all morning, all after and all night... as I think when you are sat refreshing pages waiting for somebody to post... you have another problem

DD is in bed now after a morning at nursery and an early dinner. I'm going to make a couple more phone calls and sort the kitchen, but I will no doubt end up here later!
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Wow.

Absolutely wow.

I'm not suggesting anybody stop reading and posting on SR... for me though it is detrimental to be sat down all day every day (and night).
Exactly! Even something healthy can be unhealthy if we do it too much, right?
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Exactly! Even something healthy can be unhealthy if we do it too much, right?
For me, I'm sitting, sitting, looking, reading, sitting, contemplating, sitting, thinking, sitting... did I say sitting?

I do too much of it.

I'm not entirely sure why it seems such a bad thing to want to move forwards and adopt a more positive, productive approach.

Hey ho
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I can relate. I worry I spend too much time on SR when I could/should be doing other things too. SR is great but I need to do other important things too-look after my child/cook clean/shop etc.

I don't think MTN is saying SR is bad or shouldn't be on it a lot. More of a 'let's not be on SR all day and neglect daily life tasks' Well that's my understanding of it and one to which I can wholly relate
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