Counselors who do not like AA
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Counselors who do not like AA
I am a fan of AA and I think it has helped me stay sober. I am also in an AODA course and get a little cranky when counselors bash AA. AT the same time they tell you to go to meetings and the workbook is centered around the 12 steps. A bit hypocritical I think. They say AA only has a 5% success rate. How the hell do they know that?
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I have no idea and I don't know what AODA is either. I don't use AA, but I wouldn't pay much attention to a statistic.
And, if your counsellor is expressing ideas opposite to what you believe, then perhaps it's time to look into getting a different counsellor? Is that possible?
And, if your counsellor is expressing ideas opposite to what you believe, then perhaps it's time to look into getting a different counsellor? Is that possible?
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Originally Posted by FamilyMan2153 
I am a fan of AA and I think it has helped me stay sober. I am also in an AODA course and get a little cranky when counselors bash AA. AT the same time they tell you to go to meetings and the workbook is centered around the 12 steps. A bit hypocritical I think. They say AA only has a 5% success rate. How the hell do they know that?
That was wrong, of course, but what you're presented with is just plain confusing.
I'm still waiting for the day when addiction treatment truly makes sense. I think it's better than it was, but there's still a lot of nonsense out there.
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Those stats are simply put together as people want them to be..
All I know is AA works 100% of the time as long as you work it.. The program never fails just people do..
All I know is AA works 100% of the time as long as you work it.. The program never fails just people do..
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Some intersting notes about AA member activity: Lets Ask Bill W - 33 - What is the success rate of Alcoholics Anonymous?
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Oh no! Not this again!
AA is the only way.
AA is a cult.
Eat loads of sweets.
Don't substitute alcohol with sweets.
Don't swim on a full stomach.
Doesn't matter if you swim on a full stomach.
Clear the wreckage of your past.
Forget the past.
I don't care what works for others.
I just want for people to realize it's hard and it's worth it.
AA is the only way.
AA is a cult.
Eat loads of sweets.
Don't substitute alcohol with sweets.
Don't swim on a full stomach.
Doesn't matter if you swim on a full stomach.
Clear the wreckage of your past.
Forget the past.
I don't care what works for others.
I just want for people to realize it's hard and it's worth it.
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One of the Joe's on page 46 of xa-speakers.org (can't tell ya which one, I've been listening to most on that page--see Alcoholics Anonymous then go to Single Speakers then to page 46* *scroll to bottom to see the page numbers) talks of being an Alcohol Counselor. He's worked while still drinking and he's worked while sober.......just saying.
sounds like it's just another opinion......
sounds like it's just another opinion......
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Your counselor knows you're in AA and still bashes it? That's a strange method of treatment if you ask me. I'm a firm believer in the "whatever works for you" method of recovery.
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Maybe I've got it all wrong but this seems to me like "deja vu all over again", as Yogi Berra used to say. Pretty soon we'll have to bring in the elephant and talk about one person feeling his ear, another his trunk, etc.
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Originally Posted by Mark75
The important thing, possibly the only thing, is not to drink and drug. How a person chooses to do that is his concern.
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Originally Posted by wpainterw
Maybe I've got it all wrong but this seems to me like "deja vu all over again", as Yogi Berra used to say. Pretty soon we'll have to bring in the elephant and talk about one person feeling his ear, another his trunk, etc.
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Originally Posted by freshstart57
As far as I can tell, this parable has been recounted only once in these pages. That would make this 'deja vu like never before'. Hope this helps.
To the best of my knowledge this is the first time anyone has suggested this. You may use it deja if you wish.
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AODA is 'Alcohol and Other Drug Abuse' prevention program from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction - Student Services/Prevention and Wellness.
Anyone can do their own research to see what is said about the success rates of any recovery program they might think of. In this particular instance, there is a lot of information that is easily available. Doing your own research and making your own evaluation is a much better idea than asking that question here.
Anyone can do their own research to see what is said about the success rates of any recovery program they might think of. In this particular instance, there is a lot of information that is easily available. Doing your own research and making your own evaluation is a much better idea than asking that question here.
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I think the statistics are made up by either people who actively detest 12 step fellowships or by people who have no idea about them. Like other people have said it works if you work it. There's loads of statistics out there about people who 'recover' but how do you define 'recover'? 1%, 3% 5%. If you live the program then you arrest your disease,
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