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Old 05-29-2012, 02:00 PM
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I'm into my third bottle of wine. And my wife will know it.

edit: i want to call my sponsor but I am embarrased. I have failed.
Well, hopefully you'll be ok and can read your posts on this thread. Hope you stop drinking now.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:02 PM
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You do not hate feeling good, you are not addicted to unhappiness.
You are addicted to alcohol & alcohol changes your brain chemistry. It makes you believe things that are not true.
You can quit. You can stop cycle of addiction.

You are still here, you are still fighting. Don't give up. Keep trying.
Get the booze out of your system & let your head clear up.
And make a plan. A definite decision about what you really want.

Continuing drinking is not going to help your situation right now in any way.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:03 PM
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I just had to give up...Got on my knees..And said God....I can't do this anymore...Help me. And I have not had a drink since. I had to put a lot of effort into it...But I got the help I needed. I hope you find it somehow too....Because...If your wife was like mine...She'll get tired of it...So will everyone else. That's not a good place to be.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:03 PM
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P.U.S.H. through Pray Until Something Happens... and it helped me to do last paragraph page 84
Just called my quondam sponsor. Now I am feeling like a complete fool and idiot. He said, I can't see you until you put that bottle down.
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No one is perfect. It is not the falling down that is failure. It is in staying down.
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I am with you when you feel withdrawn and when the world is cruel.
I hide the heckler's words and block the missiles thrown in ignorance and anger.
I shelter you from the storms and I shield you from your fears.
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I am your friend.
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I feed off your compulsion and dwell in your isolation.
I am familiar with your weaknesses and abuse your denial.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by oinobares View Post
Just called my quondam sponsor. Now I am feeling like a complete fool and idiot. He said, I can't see you until you put that bottle down.
Pretty easy solution to that.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:08 PM
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How do I do this? Do I change my identity? I think I have to change my identity. The cultic aspects of AA bother, but as a social scientist I understand how that works. So I don't resent the mechanism. I just want to stop feeling alone. And this site has really helped with that. I can't thank you all enough.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:13 PM
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Acknowledging that I am a drunk is a big step. I AM a drunk.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:13 PM
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How do I do this? Do I change my identity?
You don't have to change your identity...You have to stop drinking...Take a hard a look at what it's doing to you...And decide if you want it in your life anymore...It's as simple as that.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:15 PM
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I have a friday meeting. I accept. I'll be there.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:21 PM
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You don't have to change your identity...You have to stop drinking...Take a hard a look at what it's doing to you...And decide if you want it in your life anymore...It's as simple as that.
Sapling you are a wise one. Let's go with this thought. I have had no low bottom yet. But my kids (8 and 6) know when I "pass out." My wife hid the bottles. So they all know i drink too much. My kids talk about how nasty "drunks" are. I am not nasty at all. They don't notice when I am not drinking, which offends me horribly. Are we only marked for our failures?
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:24 PM
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Sapling you are a wise one. Let's go with this thought. I have had no low bottom yet. But my kids (8 and 6) know when I "pass out." My wife hid the bottles. So they all know i drink too much. My kids talk about how nasty "drunks" are. I am not nasty at all. They don't notice when I am not drinking, which offends me horribly. Are we only marked for our failures?
How bad do you want to keep that family?...What do they mean to you?...You're not getting better every day here.....You'll get worse...And you will lose them....Trust me on that.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:29 PM
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How bad do you want to keep that family?...What do they mean to you?...You're not getting better every day here.....You'll get worse...And you will lose them....Trust me on that.
I know I m sorry I'll try
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:31 PM
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I know I m sorry I'll try
I'm telling you...You don't have to be sorry for anything...You have to stop drinking...And get over the idea that you can drink again. You're done.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:37 PM
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If you have to read this 20 times to understand this...Do it.

Most of us have been unwilling to admit we were real alcoholics. No person likes to think he is bodily and mentally different from his fellows. Therefore, it is not surprising that our drinking careers have been characterized by countless vain attempts to prove we could drink like other people. The idea that somehow, someday he will control and enjoy his drinking is the great obsession of every abnormal drinker. The persistence of this illusion is astonishing. Many pursue it into the gates of insanity or death.

We learned that we had to fully concede to our innermost selves that we were alcoholics. This is the first step in recovery. The delusion that we are like other people, or presently may be, has to be smashed.

We alcoholics are men and women who have lost the ability to control our drinking. We know that no real alcoholic ever recovers control. All of us felt at times that we were regaining control, but such intervals - usually brief - were inevitably followed by still less control, which led in time to pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization. We are convinced to a man that alcoholics of our type are in the grip of a progressive illness. Over any considerable period we get worse, never better.


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Old 05-29-2012, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by oinobares View Post
How do I do this? Do I change my identity? I think I have to change my identity. The cultic aspects of AA bother, but as a social scientist I understand how that works. So I don't resent the mechanism. I just want to stop feeling alone. And this site has really helped with that. I can't thank you all enough.
the problem with alcoholics is we turn a simple program like AA into a study of quantum mechanics when in reality we really arent that smart.

i have yet to see any cultic aspects of AA. you can take it or leave it. stay or go. get drunk or get sober. live or die. the way it works is being shown right here in this thread. would you ask one of your social scientist co workers how to stop drinking? and i doubt a group of ex drunks could help ya much with social scientist stuff.
WE share a common bond. it is alcoholism. WE come from many different walks of life, but where alcohol is concerned, WE are all quite similar. and WE solve our common problems and recover from alcoholism.


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Old 05-29-2012, 03:02 PM
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I have had no low bottom yet.
Hmmmm...

But my kids (8 and 6) know when I "pass out." My wife hid the bottles. So they all know i drink too much. My kids talk about how nasty "drunks" are.
What do you consider a low bottom? Because as the father of an 8-year-old, I'd say you need to move the marker up a bit.... Now before you let your addiction seize on that as a reason to drink—shame! regret!—consider this. You are incredibly fortunate because you are in a position to stop the slide now, before it causes lasting damage. My daughter does not even recall seeing me with a drink in my hand. It's only been 17 months, but in her eyes, it's like I never drank at all.

Gratitude—that's the cure for regret. And you can start feeling it the minute you decide to put that bottle down, oinobares.
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Old 05-29-2012, 05:07 PM
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Yes I am befogged now. My wife knows it, my kids know it. They are home. I don't want to be in this situation any longer. I called my sponsor and i am going to sign on.
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