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Old 11-21-2011, 08:42 AM
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Night Terrors/Sleep Paralysis

So, whenever I would usually have a big bender and then stop drinking cold turkey. I always had these CRAZY dreams. Sometimes I would also have sleep paralysis along with the dreams.

I'm talking about the scariest, most vivid nightmares. During the sleep paralysis I would usually feel like I was awake and I would hallucinate that there is something in the room with me. This would literally scare the heck out of me. I would feel like I'm screaming but my girlfriend would say that I was just mumbling and I acted like I was trying to move but couldn't. Then she would wake me up and I would be fine.

Sometimes I feel like I'm living in my dream and can actually make a mental note that this is a dream... and then I can just play out the dream like I'm really there. I have no idea how to explain it. I'm just curious if anyone else has ever experienced this before.

When I'm not drinking/withdrawing. I rarely RARELY have these... like 1 every few months. When I'm withdrawing though I have multiple dreams a night.
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Hi. I have had night terrors since the age of 12. The kind I'm diagnosed with are called Adult Night Terrors because they're different than when they happen in children (which is more normal and temporary).

Mine are very extreme and involve screaming, getting out of bed, sometimes running into other rooms or outside, and one time I broke and climbed out of a small bedroom window. I have hurt myself during my night terrors and sometimes hurt or frighten other people by dragging them out of bed or jumping on top of them, thinking I'm "saving them", or flipping out and attacking them if they try to wake me up/hold me back during a night terror.

For me it has been like torture, for most of my life, and I just wanted to say I can relate to your pain. Since getting sober my night terrors have actually be less frequent, but one that I had was the most scary and intense that I've had in a long time. I also have much more vivid dreams in sobriety than I ever did while drinking (night terrors are different than nightmares/dreams-- night terrors involve sheer panic and don't happen in REM sleep like dreams do-- so I don't remember what the night terror was "about" unless I was woken up in the middle of it, and even then, it's usually more vague sheer terror, rather than any kind of a memorable "plot" like in a dream). My dreams now can either be very good-- such as an extended dream about picnicking with my whole family who live far away in real life, or quite nightmarish, and sometimes involve drinking or getting into trouble for drinking.

I recently visited a sleep specialist who prescribed me Ambien and will prescribe Clonozapan (or something like that- can't remember the spelling) once I have a sleep study done in December. I'm not sure how I feel about taking medication but at this point, I need a good night's sleep. I'm also making changes naturally--- giving up drinking is the first step as I know that alcohol disrupts my circadian rhythm and quality of sleep. I also plan to get into a very structured sleeping pattern after the holidays are over, as well as completely changing my diet. I hope that with natural changes I won't need meds and my night terrors will decrease. I don't really mind the vivid dreams and feel that my mind is trying to work out something that way (the other night I had a dream about something that haunts me from the past).

I hope this is of some help. Best wishes to you on getting a good night's rest, every night! I know how very important sleep is and how everything is out of whack when that's not possible.
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Yeah, I had a good one last night, can't remember all the details but it did feel like I was completely awake, woke up numerous times (or so I thought) then finally, in my dream I think, I started screaming to myself that I was dreaming, repeatedly until finally I woke up, though that in and of itself was a task since I felt like I was trying to pull myself out of a tar pit! Almost 4 weeks sober and I'm still getting them, maybe once or twice a week right now... no fun!
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Old 11-21-2011, 10:14 AM
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Yeah, I had a good one last night, can't remember all the details but it did feel like I was completely awake, woke up numerous times (or so I thought) then finally, in my dream I think, I started screaming to myself that I was dreaming, repeatedly until finally I woke up, though that in and of itself was a task since I felt like I was trying to pull myself out of a tar pit! Almost 4 weeks sober and I'm still getting them, maybe once or twice a week right now... no fun!
This does sound rather like a night terror!
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The night terrors are bad, and the vivid dreams can be good or bad, but it's the sleep paralysis that I can't deal with.

It's always the same. From what I've read it happens when your mind begins to wake from REM sleep but your body and muscles are still disabled. So I will begin waking up and in a state of being half asleep I will hallucinate that a dark figure or person is standing over me. They are always just standing there looking at me, but for some reason it scares the crap out of me. I want to move and say something to them or run away but my body won't do anything!

I've had this last from 10 seconds to almost a minute. It's like sheer panic and a profound sense of hopelessness.

I had one where Bear Grylls from that survival show was standing over me trying to stab me lol, and I wanted to move but I couldn't.
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The night terrors are bad, and the vivid dreams can be good or bad, but it's the sleep paralysis that I can't deal with.

It's always the same. From what I've read it happens when your mind begins to wake from REM sleep but your body and muscles are still disabled. So I will begin waking up and in a state of being half asleep I will hallucinate that a dark figure or person is standing over me. They are always just standing there looking at me, but for some reason it scares the crap out of me. I want to move and say something to them or run away but my body won't do anything!

I've had this last from 10 seconds to almost a minute. It's like sheer panic and a profound sense of hopelessness.

I had one where Bear Grylls from that survival show was standing over me trying to stab me lol, and I wanted to move but I couldn't.
I've had many hallucinations about figures or persons standing over me. Sometimes I feel paralyzed and think I'm going to die, and just give up, whereas other times I get up and try to fight them or point them out etc. I am not as familiar with the sleep paralysis aspect of things but I have read that all the conditions are related.

I have had many appointments with sleep specialists, psychiatrists, pscyhologists, etc. and there's not much of a "cure" because not much is known about it scientifically. They can give you meds that help you sleep. For me it's related to anxiety so they can give me anxiety meds to take at night. And for me talk therapy helps, as does meditation/journaling/"prayer" etc... and a bedtime routine/structure, such as taking a hot bath or drinking hot tea before bed, relaxing and trying to get enough sleep on a normal sleeping schedule. I'm working on becoming more of an early riser than a night owl, because I think the natural circadian rhythm is important, and I've been working against it my whole life.
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I've had many hallucinations about figures or persons standing over me. Sometimes I feel paralyzed and think I'm going to die, and just give up, whereas other times I get up and try to fight them or point them out etc. I am not as familiar with the sleep paralysis aspect of things but I have read that all the conditions are related.

I have had many appointments with sleep specialists, psychiatrists, pscyhologists, etc. and there's not much of a "cure" because not much is known about it scientifically. They can give you meds that help you sleep. For me it's related to anxiety so they can give me anxiety meds to take at night. And for me talk therapy helps, as does meditation/journaling/"prayer" etc... and a bedtime routine/structure, such as taking a hot bath or drinking hot tea before bed, relaxing and trying to get enough sleep on a normal sleeping schedule. I'm working on becoming more of an early riser than a night owl, because I think the natural circadian rhythm is important, and I've been working against it my whole life.
The whole thing just baffles me. It's crazy what the mind is capable of. I too would like to start getting up earlier and actually feeling tired by the time it comes for me to sleep. I often find myself "trying" to go to sleep, as opposed to falling asleep because I'm tired.
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I have this problem as well. It's called Lucid dreaming and on rare occassion I have simultaneous lucid dreams. It's horrifying to say the least. I know in my dreams that I am just dreaming, but I can not control what happens, nor can I wake myself up from them. It is kind of like that movie Inception, except that I can't control the dreams as they did.
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Programmer I have the exact same dreams--someone is in the room with me and I can't move--and it feels very, very real. Even when I wake up, I can't separate reality from the dream, and if I fall back asleep, it happens all over again. I never associated it with drinking but it probably did happen more when I drank. It only happens if I am alone in my house which is several times a year.

It's a horrible feeling and hard to shake once reality that all is okay finally takes hold.
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Yes , I have the same dream myself , always some one in the house and I know they are coming and I am struggling to wake but can't and in the dream I am trying to call my husband to tell him but I have no voice , then my husband wakes me because I am calling out in my sleep. When I wake up I am cover in goose bumps and to scared to go back to sleep. I have been having this same nightmare for years now. Good thing is my husband has seen it enough to wake me early and not let it go on.
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Yes, I am so thankful to be woken up from these things. If nobody is there to wake me up, it can last for what seems like a lifetime.

After doing some searching online, it's kind of creepy how many people report seeing a dark apparition lol.
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Night terrors and paralysis were every day occurrences when I drank. Now I rarely remember my dreams and they are usually pretty good.


The other night I dreamt I saw the creation of a universe...pretty awesome
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I think these types of dreams are very common. I have had variations on this for years, even before drinking became a major problem for me. The other variation is where I am paralysed but "feel" either extremely large or that I have shrunk and everyone around me is massive.

The scary dude next to bed has never done anything but stand there.

Drinking took away my dreams, I think having them is a sign of health.

I am of the view that dreams are one way of your "other" self talking to you. To me this is one manifestation of my HP. Yes I can get scared. It is up to me to figure out the message.
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These are dreams I have too and I almost forgot about them, I rarely if at all have them anymore, the most common for me was thinking I had woke up but couldn’t move, I would try to wake up and actually found a technique to waking up, I’d calm down then burst out of sleep, this wouldn’t always work and if it did took multiple tries, when I finally did wake up my surroundings were off just enough to know it was in fact a dream but I could most times get my wife to physically wake me if I struggled to wake up enough.

My brother who drinks gets them too and my sister has experienced them but doesn’t drink a lot.

I don’t hardly get them at all now that I’ve been sober a while, there very weird indeed; I don’t miss them at all…
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Hi. I have had night terrors since the age of 12. The kind I'm diagnosed with are called Adult Night Terrors because they're different than when they happen in children (which is more normal and temporary).

Mine are very extreme and involve screaming, getting out of bed, sometimes running into other rooms or outside, and one time I broke and climbed out of a small bedroom window. I have hurt myself during my night terrors and sometimes hurt or frighten other people by dragging them out of bed or jumping on top of them, thinking I'm "saving them", or flipping out and attacking them if they try to wake me up/hold me back during a night terror.

For me it has been like torture, for most of my life, and I just wanted to say I can relate to your pain. Since getting sober my night terrors have actually be less frequent, but one that I had was the most scary and intense that I've had in a long time. I also have much more vivid dreams in sobriety than I ever did while drinking (night terrors are different than nightmares/dreams-- night terrors involve sheer panic and don't happen in REM sleep like dreams do-- so I don't remember what the night terror was "about" unless I was woken up in the middle of it, and even then, it's usually more vague sheer terror, rather than any kind of a memorable "plot" like in a dream). My dreams now can either be very good-- such as an extended dream about picnicking with my whole family who live far away in real life, or quite nightmarish, and sometimes involve drinking or getting into trouble for drinking.

I recently visited a sleep specialist who prescribed me Ambien and will prescribe Clonozapan (or something like that- can't remember the spelling) once I have a sleep study done in December. I'm not sure how I feel about taking medication but at this point, I need a good night's sleep. I'm also making changes naturally--- giving up drinking is the first step as I know that alcohol disrupts my circadian rhythm and quality of sleep. I also plan to get into a very structured sleeping pattern after the holidays are over, as well as completely changing my diet. I hope that with natural changes I won't need meds and my night terrors will decrease. I don't really mind the vivid dreams and feel that my mind is trying to work out something that way (the other night I had a dream about something that haunts me from the past).

I hope this is of some help. Best wishes to you on getting a good night's rest, every night! I know how very important sleep is and how everything is out of whack when that's not possible.
Ive dealt with night terrors since I was a small child. Mine are exactly like you describe. I do not have them as much since I quit drinking. Usually I get them when I am dealing with a very stressful situation. I used to have them so much, my ex would get mad and hit me with a pillow. LOL. I think stress brings them on
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Old 11-22-2011, 06:43 AM
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Yes, I'm on day 16. Which is the longest I've gone in 3 years. I'm not currently experiencing the dreams though.

When I'm sober I do dream a lot, but they are generally peaceful. I almost always remember my dreams too.
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I did not normally have night terrors per se`. And any whacky dream I had was usually associated with booze. Sobriety has eliminated all the odd thoughts and behavior. I love sobriety.
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Hi. I'm so glad I found this place and this thread. I never put two and two together and realised that my night terror/sleep paralysis was caused by alcohol withdrawal.

I have been a big drinker for nearly 20 years now (save about 6 years here and there with pregnancy and breastfeeding).

When my 20 year marriage broke down two years ago, my alcohol use increased dramatically. For the past 3 or so months I have not managed a single alcohol free day. The last two weeks I went for a bottle of wine per night (7.7 standard drinks) or nearly 2 bottles of wine every night (for about half of those two weeks). I'd wake up with shaking hands but always put that down to hangover and dehydration. Boy, was I fooling myself or what?

Anyway - last week enough was enough. I went to my doctor (we have total privacy in Australia when talking with our doctors so I didn't have the fear of losing my job as some people here have). For the first time in my life I TOLD THE TRUTH. The whole ugly sordid horrible nasty truth. I felt bad, but it felt good. No judgement from her, just total support. I have a referral for a good psyc in a few weeks and a prescription for temazepam (which I belive is similar to valium). I also suffer anxiety so I was thinking my shaking hands related to that. They could also I guess, but alcohol is a likely suspect.

I'm sorry this is long - its my first post.

Anyway, I decided yesterday would BE THE DAY. I walked a different way home so I could not pass the store. I made a cup of tea and went on the internet and found this place. I'm glad I did but I became terrified that I would suffer the DTs. So found a study that suggested that I half my intake of alcohol for 4 days, then half again for 4 days and then stop.

I live alone. Íf I have a seizure, no-one can help me. I became terrified stopping cold turkey so decided to try this method.

Consumed 4 standard drinks last night mixed heavily with soda water. I can not trust myself with a bottle of wine, so instead bought 3 pre-mixed drinks in a can.

5pm - one temazepam

6pm - 2am - 4 standard drinks mixed heavily with soda water - made sure I ate dinner.

Watched tv till 2am and then feel asleep. That's when the "fun" started. OMG - I have never, never had night terrors/sleep paralysis like that in my life - and I've had it many times.

Exactly as discribed here - I know I'm in bed - I can't wake up. There was a doctor in a scary mask in my room - his face was all distorted. I thought he was going to operate on me. (This was on the back of a vivid dream that the world was ending - I could HEAR the world ending - it was so LOUD).

But then he said I'm here to help you. Then there was a nurse standing over me telling me I was "coming out of it". I thought I'd had a seizure and was in hospital. Then like everyone else here - I am back in my room again realising I am dreaming but can't wake up. The only way I could distinguish if I was awake or not was to look at my clock - If I couldn''t read the numbers, I was not awake. Then another dream - I a robbing the bodies of all the people that died when the world ended. WTF? I would never do such a thing. Horrible, horrible.

Woke up 5am - exhausted. Had become convinced in my dream I'd had a seizure and took some minutes to realise this was not the case.

5.15am - took one temazepam and slept ok (but not great) for 4.5 hours.

Does anyone have experience in how long these dreams last? I know I did too much reading last night and pretty much convinced myself I would have a seizure. I know that the temazepam will assist in preventing such an occurence.

Ok - that was day one. 7 more days until total sobriety. If anyone has a history of similar or higher alcohol intake and DID NOT have DTs or seizures. I'd love to hear from you. I could do with all the reasurance I can get right now.

Before anyone mentions it - Im WELL aware that temazepam can be habit forming. But I can't just get it at any shop. I NEED to get sober. There is no other choice. I just want to do it safety. I don't want to die or end up brain damaged.

Again, sorry this was so long - thanks to anyone reading and offering advice.

xo
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Pigtails, watch out for Ambien. It can cause sleepwalking and sleepeating. If you are already prone to getting up in the night due to sleep I'd be careful about this one.
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