yeahgr8

This is a conversation between myself and a friend of mine who is 31 and works in the bar i almost lived in for 5 years. He is a crazy guy and, although i have got rid of most of my old 'friends', he keeps finding me on msn/facebook etc. I know he genuinely likes me as he was always the one who said stop drinking/gambling but thought some of you might find this funny (i told him i would post this today:-))

He is Paul and I am Cliff! I said he should start his own rehab centre hehe

Paul says:
well
Paul says:
if u get to rehab me and neil will drive up and see u
cliff says:
oh thats cool
Paul says:
i still think u should give me the £5k and ill reprogram u
cliff says:
i start on sunday 10th so will keep in contact somehow i dont know what contact they allow during the week but sundays is visiting day!
Paul says:
what exactly are u in rehab for?
cliff says:
alcohol
cliff says:
Serenity House - Home
Paul says:
cliff
Paul says:
i was a ******* alcoholic
cliff says:
they do gambling too though much the same
Paul says:
my uncle was an alcoholic
Paul says:
its really simple
cliff says:
hehehe you cant have been an alcoholic it doesnt work that way
Paul says:
go find an alcoholic mate and have a REALLY good look at them
cliff says:
what do you mean
Paul says:
i have one piddly corona now and im **** faced
Paul says:
thats why i dont drink anymore
Paul says:
birthday being exception
Paul says:
and i got a 3 day hangover
cliff says:
you found someone bad and stopped cos you didnt want to be like them?
Paul says:
yes
Paul says:
we started drinking heavily at the same time
Paul says:
similar probs with women etc etc
Paul says:
hadnt seen him in 6 months
Paul says:
he looked like ****
Paul says:
i didnt touch a drop for 11 months after that
Paul says:
the worse part was no alcohol
Paul says:
shakes, sweats, pain
Paul says:
******* horrible for about 3 weeks
cliff says:
ok listen its gone too far, i dont know how to live anymore, i cant socialise with sober people, understand them, have any idea what want to do, i dont know how to start living without alcohol and gambling, its just a point in the right direction...some people need it and i guess i would be one of them hehe
Paul says:
having said that, getting off painkillers from hospital was 20 times worse
cliff says:
oh really?
Paul says:
stopping painkillers after my knee thing felt like i was gonna die
Paul says:
i really feel for heroin addicts
cliff says:
oh ****
Paul says:
and the only thing that gets rid of the pain and the shakes and the worlds gonna end feeling was more painkillers
cliff says:
wow i havent got any experience with that
cliff says:
sounds horrendous
Paul says:
its ******* ****
Paul says:
be prepared for a really really **** 28 days
cliff says:
i did the 5 months as you know
cliff says:
but this is the real deal without pills and counselling which you are right didnt work for me
Paul says:
heres the thing.....
Paul says:
cold turkey sucks arse and its not all in ur head like depression or some other drugs
cliff says:
its just a way to help you live life, there is a huge difference between a heavy drinker and an alchie, im convinced...i know now i am the latter
cliff says:
yeah im sure
Paul says:
i did a 20 question thing
Paul says:
score 19 out of 20
Paul says:
if u scored 3 you had a problem
Paul says:
19 was just ridiculous
cliff says:
thats the one and some can stop and manage like you but you have to understand im not one of them
Paul says:
i cant quit smoking
Paul says:
no will power
cliff says:
hehehe tell me about it
cliff says:
bloody fags
Paul says:
what u need to do is quit smoking at the same time
Paul says:
then unquit the smoking
cliff says:
why?
Paul says:
cos when u need to drink, rather than drinking have a fag
cliff says:
oh i see yeah hehe
Paul says:
when i quit something i always quit 2 things.... one i want to quit and one i dont really want to quit
cliff says:
hmmm makes sense actually
Paul says:
when my lack of will power gets the better of me, i un give up on the one i didnt really want to quit on
cliff says:
i like that hehe
Paul says:
herers the thing
Paul says:
i quit fags and caffeine
Paul says:
when i felt like cracking i had a fag instead lol
Paul says:
but im still not on the caffeine like i was
Paul says:
have the odd coffee
Paul says:
dont need it anymore
cliff says:
thats cool
Paul says:
my intention was actually to quit smoking
cliff says:
hahaha
Paul says:
it ended up being the other way round
Paul says:
never tried quitting 3 things at once
cliff says:
getting rid of any bad habit is a good thing!
cliff says:
monk time
Paul says:
u have to decide which is the worst
Paul says:
then give up a **** load of things
Paul says:
then unquit them in order
Paul says:
and hopefully stay off the worst
cliff says:
heheh i like it!
Paul says:
£5k waste of money
cliff says:
not for me
Paul says:
you should come for a walk this summer
Paul says:
971km
Paul says:
i can guarantee by the end of it u wont drink anymore
cliff says:
whats that about?
Paul says:
24 days of hell
cliff says:
what is that 971 km
cliff says:
where to where
Paul says:
gib to santiago de compostella
cliff says:
are you doing it
Paul says:
yes
cliff says:
why
Paul says:
thanks to pope loe XIII if i do it ill go to heaven
Paul says:
im an aithiest
Paul says:
im walking there with a jew
Paul says:
its our get out of jail free card incase we die and chose the wrong religion (or lack of)
cliff says:
hmmmm
cliff says:
where will you sleep?
Paul says:
we will be stoned the entire trip
Paul says:
sleeping on any rock or under any tree that looks comfy
Paul says:
45mks a day
Paul says:
45kms
cliff says:
doable
Paul says:
very
Paul says:
easy pace
cliff says:
yeah
Paul says:
14-16 hours a day
Paul says:
with smoking breaks
Paul says:
plodding along
cliff says:
well i would be very impressed!
Paul says:
no pubs or bars anywhere on that route
Paul says:
you do that i can guarantee u wont be drinking for a good while after
cliff says:
hahaha im sure!
Paul says:
and its less time than that ******* rehab
Paul says:
and u get to see some decent scenery and practise ur spanish
cliff says:
different strokes for different folks i guess
Paul says:
and lose a **** load of weight
cliff says:
that would be nice actually!
Paul says:
and grow a mental beard
Paul says:
though we might cheat and start from merida just past seville
cliff says:
beardies
Paul says:
still a good 500kms though
cliff says:
that would be quite the story!
Paul says:
if rehab fails, ur coming
cliff says:
ok deal hehehe
Paul says:
walk some ******* sense into u
Paul says:
i was gonna force stuboy to come
cliff says:
hahaha that would be very cool!
Paul says:
there are other options in life
Paul says:
u say u forgot how to be social?
cliff says:
lots of other options and stuff to do
Paul says:
try not being around many ppl for nearly a month
Paul says:
in the middle of ******* nowhere just walking
Paul says:
the only people u see will be places we stop to beg for food and water
cliff says:
kind of a spiritual experince i guess
Paul says:
after that you'll be happy to see ppl
Paul says:
and at least have a story to tell
Paul says:
without needing to be *********
cliff says:
i see it i think its a good idea
Paul says:
not to mention the other wackos ull see along the way
Paul says:
all walking for their own reasons
cliff says:
but hang on are there going to be other people doing this in other groups?
Paul says:
100,000's of ppl walk to that city every year
Paul says:
from all across europe
Paul says:
routes are in the middle of nowhere
cliff says:
oh right
Paul says:
marked by yellow arrows painted on rocks
Paul says:
ppl have been doing it for several hundred years
cliff says:
huh wow
Paul says:
im not religious
Paul says:
i have no intention of finding 'god'
cliff says:
spiritual doesnt have to mean God
Paul says:
i beleive in karma, **** happens and sods law
cliff says:
its what you described doing something to feel good about yourself i guess
Paul says:
and i beleive in me and my stubborness
Paul says:
the jew is also extremely stubborn
cliff says:
do i know him?
Paul says:
he owns a casino in carrefour
Paul says:
i lived with the dude in southampton
cliff says:
in carrefour?
cliff says:
the supermarket?
Paul says:
and out of weird coincidences, hes the first person sammy ever slept with
Paul says:
u know where the McD is in carrefour?
Paul says:
theres a small games room thing there
cliff says:
oh right ok cool
Paul says:
filled with poker machines and a roulette table
cliff says:
oh wow
Paul says:
if u need to gamble go there
Paul says:
i can get him to set machines for free
Paul says:
then u can see how pointless they are
Paul says:
then one day ill take u to his parents house
Paul says:
with the big ******* outdoor heated pool etc
Paul says:
place is a palace
Paul says:
paid for by mugs who gamble
cliff says:
oh right hehehe yeah ill bet they make some money off the gamblers!
cliff says:
crazy!
cliff says:
certainly is a mugs game! even more so if you are stupid enough to gamble to win
cliff says:
not how you do it
cliff says:
for me its a hit in the arm couldnt give a **** about the money
cliff says:
melt the coins down and give me a needle

adore79

lol did you record the conversation or something?

That long trek sounds like fun, wish i could do it. I dont know about it curing a person of alcoholism though. I was at a meeting where this really old guy shared that he spent 6 months living alone in the wilderness and when he returned the doctors told him that his cancer had dissapeared. Not sure if that is true but i wouldnt count on it.