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Old 04-21-2009, 07:46 AM
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I read the "New Cure" and the "Small Book".

For recovery they explain one technique "AVRT" which is thought recognition and nothing more. The books point out the obvious, that it is important to recognize the thoughts that tell you it is ok to drink or use.

So I did. I was able to point out the thoughts in my head that told me to drink. Super!

Now what?

See, the "Rational" recovey books don't teach you what to do with those thoughts. To say that it is a limited recovery program is putting it mildly.

After that, 90% of the book is choc-full of Jack Trimpey's hatred of 12 step programs. Jack is a hateful, arrogant person. I've met him in real life and he is as much that way in person as he is in his writing.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:23 AM
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Everyone is different, if one finds a program that keeps them sober long term go for it.

The one thing I do not understand is how does attacking other programs help with ones sobriety?

As others have already said, take the good that works for you and leave what is of no help behind.

I have read a little bit on Rational recovery, but found the bashing to be un-needed and figured why bother with it, I am sober & happy already.
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bartender129 View Post

For recovery they explain one technique "AVRT" which is thought recognition and nothing more. The books point out the obvious, that it is important to recognize the thoughts that tell you it is ok to drink or use.

So I did. I was able to point out the thoughts in my head that told me to drink. Super!

Now what?

See, the "Rational" recovey books don't teach you what to do with those thoughts. To say that it is a limited recovery program is putting it mildly.

After that, 90% of the book is choc-full of Jack Trimpey's hatred of 12 step programs. Jack is a hateful, arrogant person. I've met him in real life and he is as much that way in person as he is in his writing.
Couldn't have said it better... NOW WHAT!!!

Jack is arrogant and hateful??? Gee, wonder why.... I have gotten pretty good at recognizing that voice... right!!... Super, NOW WHAT!!! What about serenity, happiness, gratitude, finding meaning and purpose in life?

If all I was doing was recognizing the voice, I'd be a wreck... because that voice is still speaking... why??, I can hear it?, but how do I make it stop?!!

AA, for me, quiets that voice, now that's what I want!!

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Old 10-10-2009, 11:03 AM
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I know this is quite an old thread but I've been reading up on AVRT today and was quite taken with it. Like most say though, I can't understand the pathological hatred of AA and the subscription for accessing the forum put me right off.
I'm really disappointed.
I know I need to find an alternative to AA as I've spent years trying to 'get it' and I just can't.
I looked at SMART but what a people's experiences with this?
(Alera, you seem really knowledgable on this - Please can you point me in the right direction) x
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:26 AM
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Good day all...I have tried AA several times in the past without long term success..I won't go into the many reasons why. But I did find RR to be very successful for me despite the fact that it was written by a curmudgeon!!
I seem to work best with this plan. But then, I also was not a severe alcoholic. I do think that he attacks AA too much but maybe he has been attacked..I don't know.

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Old 10-10-2009, 11:41 AM
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Lula, in the alcoholism forum there is a sticky with a ton of other recovery methods, this isn't an AA forum.. AA is just one of many things people work in their recovery. I don't, a lot of people here don't. There are many many many other ways.

Here's the sticky post..

There is healing and hope for those willing to work for recovery...


Alcoholics Anonymous
Alcoholics Anonymous

Dually Diagnosed
Questions and Answers about DRA

LifeRing Secular Recovery
Home Page of LifeRing Secular Recovery

SMART
SMART RecoveryŽ

SOS - Secular Organisations for Sobriety
index.html

Women for Sobriety
Welcome to Women For Sobriety, Inc.


Information and analysis about addiction treatment and harm reduction:

The Stanton Peele Addiction Website

A useful AA reference:
Online AA resources (not official AA):
Online AA Recovery Resources

Moderation Management, the one group that deals with moderate drinking; useful for the guidelines:
Moderation Management

Some variations on 12 Step:

Agnostics AA:
Agnostic A.A. Meetings in New York City

Alcoholics Victorious (Christian 12 step):
The 12 Steps and Bible References

Pagan approach to 12 steps:
Anodea Judith: Pagan 12-Step(Part 1 of 4)

Another Christian recovery site:
Celebrate Recovery

Rabbi Twerski's interpretation of the 12 Steps from a Jewish perspective:
JACS Library - Literature

And....
Phone Contact...

The National Drug and Alcohol Treatment Referral Routing Service available at 1-800-662-HELP. This service can provide you with information about treatment programs in your local community and allow you to speak with someone about alcohol problems

Hopeline-dot-com has free 1-800 line that will connect any caller in the US who needs help to a certified crisis center nearest the caller's location. Services are available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. The number is:

1- 800-784-2433

Thanks to SR member Gretter Dee.....
here is info on Alcohol
and Drugs for those in the UK

FRANK - Home page
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:42 AM
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oops, please see the sticky for active links, I forgot those don't 'translate' in copy/pasting
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Old 10-10-2009, 04:35 PM
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heres that link for recovery programmes Smacked mentioned

http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...resources.html

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Old 03-17-2010, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lulamay View Post
I know this is quite an old thread but I've been reading up on AVRT today and was quite taken with it.
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Me too! But I kind of backed into it. I quit about a week ago. Just quit. THEN I started looking for support or a plan or something. I just found this AVRT thing yesterday. It was nice to see a plan/system, whatever it is, that backed me up on what seemed, alone, like a bass-ackwards way to quit. And I kept telling myself what I was doing wrong: not seeking support, keeping beer in the house, still going out with friends - just not drinking myself. The idea that these things were "wrong" came form GA, but I can't ignore the fact that it has WORKED! For me.

Now, here's something interesting. One of the things on that AVRT site was to also make a commitment to never seeking group support. Never getting sucked into a group or addict or disease mentality. As much as the site said that "rang true," the very next site I went to was this one! To see how other folks were doing and how other folks were doing it. Because for me, it may be remote internet support in the comfort of my home, but it's still a lifeline of sorts. So I guess I'm an example of "take what you need and leave the rest."

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