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Old 11-23-2022, 01:19 AM
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Hi and welcome Will
I didn't have any PAWs when quitting weed but you've found a good support group here

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Old 11-23-2022, 02:37 PM
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Hey neighbour! That sounds like a tough journey for you so you are entitled to much praise for sticking with quitting for such a long time. I haven’t experienced PAWS myself but I was “only” addicted to weed (well, hash in fact) and alcohol has never really played a major role in my life.

It’s hard to keep that long term perspective in mind when you are not feeling well and you do not feel the benefits of staying off the booze and weed. Can you name the positives you are experiencing? Isn’t there any improvement? And how exactly is PAWS manifesting itself?

Please keep posting, this section is a bit quiet but I know the long timers are reading along and they might reply. If you feel more comfortable speaking in your own language (assuming you are from Flanders and Dutch speaking) you can always send me a PM.

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Old 11-24-2022, 08:21 AM
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Hi Will and welcome to the forum!
Sorry to hear you are still having a tough go of it.
I had problems with PAWS when I quit drinking, but not so much with pot. It lasted for about a year for me.
This seems like a really long time for you to be still dealing with it, but you may be one of the long haulers.
But perhaps your anxiety is an unrelated issue. Have you consulted a doctor?
P.S. I think your English is fine. I wouldn't have guessed it was not your first language if you hadn't said so!
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Old 11-25-2022, 06:47 AM
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Hi and welcome Will
I didn't have any PAWs when quitting weed but you've found a good support group here

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Hi Dee,
Thank you.
Lucky you ha ha, the thing is, i quit alcohol in July 2020, i did not suffer from PAWS, quit Effexor in October 2020, did not suffer from PAWS either. Then, i quit weed in October 2021, to be honest, the first three months, i felt great, lots of energy, no depression or nothing, then i started to feel really depressed, anxiety went through the roof, intrusive thoughts, anhedonia. From 3-6 months, very hard, from 6-11 months, it was truly hell. Got some relief between 11-13 months, i was doing so great, exercising, great mood. But at 13 months mark, another wave hit me, it's way less severe then before, just bad anxiety and intrusive thoughts. Paws can last up to 2 years, i'm in for the long run i guess.

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Old 11-25-2022, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingDutchMan View Post
Hey neighbour! That sounds like a tough journey for you so you are entitled to much praise for sticking with quitting for such a long time. I havenít experienced PAWS myself but I was ďonlyĒ addicted to weed (well, hash in fact) and alcohol has never really played a major role in my life.

Itís hard to keep that long term perspective in mind when you are not feeling well and you do not feel the benefits of staying off the booze and weed. Can you name the positives you are experiencing? Isnít there any improvement? And how exactly is PAWS manifesting itself?

Please keep posting, this section is a bit quiet but I know the long timers are reading along and they might reply. If you feel more comfortable speaking in your own language (assuming you are from Flanders and Dutch speaking) you can always send me a PM.

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Hey neighbor,

Lucky you then, weed paws is definitely a thing, but not everybody is experiencing it i guess.

It's definitely hard, but the good side of it is, i will never smoke or drink again, i went through hell once, not twice. I'm gonna stay sober and power through it, PAWS can last up to two years, only 11 months to go ha ha.

Isnít there any improvement?

There are some improvements for sure. The thing is, i was feeling so good from 0-3 months, besides one week of the current withdrawals,i felt great, lots of energy, great mood, i was thinking, it's not that hard to quit a 20 years habit after all. But i think i was experiencing the "pink cloud" phase. Then, at the 3 months mark, i've started to be depressed, anxious, even suicidal, i was scared because i didn't know why i was being like that. Then i found a sub about Weedpaws, then i knew i was going through it.
PAWS is post acute withdrawal symptoms, it's basically your brain trying to find a balance without getting his drug, i can't go through the details, my English is too limited and i'm no doctor, but you can google it to find more about it. I've read some stories about people experiencing PAWS for 2 years, some even more. You can get PAWS from a lot of things like drugs, alcohol, porn, coffee, etc....It comes in waves, you feel good then you crash, then you feel good again.
I felt like **** from 3 to 11 months, but i got some relief until months 13, so i'm hoping that it's just another wave.

I hope some old timers will read this and will comment about it, it feels good to read some success stories.

PS : i'm from the south of Belgium, so it's either French or English.

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Old 11-25-2022, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by lynnmarie123 View Post
Hi Will and welcome to the forum!
Sorry to hear you are still having a tough go of it.
I had problems with PAWS when I quit drinking, but not so much with pot. It lasted for about a year for me.
This seems like a really long time for you to be still dealing with it, but you may be one of the long haulers.
But perhaps your anxiety is an unrelated issue. Have you consulted a doctor?
P.S. I think your English is fine. I wouldn't have guessed it was not your first language if you hadn't said so!
Hi Lynnmarie123,

Thank you for your kind words, PAWS from weed is basically the same as for alcohol or another drug, i'm glad that you've fully healed from it, it's truly hell.

I guess i'm here for the long run, i did smoke and drink for +20 years, so even if it takes two years to go away, it's not that bad.

"But perhaps your anxiety is an unrelated issue. Have you consulted a doctor?" I did consulte my doctor, but they don't even know what PAWS is, and their solution were to put me on benzos, no thank you, i'm not gonna take another addictive substance that i'm gonna have to quit in the future (and going through PAWS again), i'm free now (expect for nicotine) and i will stay free for the rest of my life.
Now, that's a great point, i can't really know for sure if it's paws or if i have an anxiety disorder, so i'm gonna power through it until i reach the 2 years mark and i'll see how it goes.

PS : Thanks, i do my best ;-)
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Old 11-25-2022, 09:16 AM
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Bonjour Will

I hope those symptoms fade away, much respect that you are still vigilant in your will to quit. I recognise some things you write, Iíll read more into PAWS.

Have a good weekend!
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Old 11-25-2022, 02:11 PM
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Hi Will,

Sorry to hear you’re going through a tough time. Have you ever done any counselling or talking therapy? I’m not sure powering through for two years is the best option.

Addiction can often stem from attempts self-medicate underlying mental health issues like anxiety and depression. It may be that you’ve always had problems with anxiety, and alcohol and weed were your way of coping with it. I know that weed was my primary means of coping with anxiety.

Doctors tend to medicalise mental health. That’s why I’d suggest counselling or therapy. That will help you develop better coping mechanisms without prescription medications.
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Old 11-26-2022, 08:00 AM
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Hi Will,

Sorry to hear youíre going through a tough time. Have you ever done any counselling or talking therapy? Iím not sure powering through for two years is the best option.

Addiction can often stem from attempts self-medicate underlying mental health issues like anxiety and depression. It may be that youíve always had problems with anxiety, and alcohol and weed were your way of coping with it. I know that weed was my primary means of coping with anxiety.

Doctors tend to medicalise mental health. Thatís why Iíd suggest counselling or therapy. That will help you develop better coping mechanisms without prescription medications.
Hi Ronantian,

I appreciate your take on my case, and to be honest, you could be right about me having used alcohol and drugs to cope with depression and anxiety, i did begin my addict carrier at a young age and it's hard to remember how i felt back then, but i hear you. On the other hand, the fact that i felt so good when i quit weed for at least 3 months then crashed leave me thinking that it's probably PAWS that i'm experiencing, i've read a lot about it, discussed with lots of people who are suffering like me after quitting weed, the pattern is same, symptoms are the same, the fact that i felt very good between month 11 to 13 is showing that like PAWS, it comes in waves, it shows that the brain is trying to find his balance, PAWS lasts between 6 months to 2 years and i feel way better than i was at 6 months or 9 months. But it's gonna take more time to get back to baseline where i'll be able to live my live to the fullest.

About counseling and therapy, i did some counseling but it wasn't helping at all. I would consider therapy if i'm still a mess at the two years mark. Learning how to cope with anxiety without any medications is my goal. I'm already trying a few things like breathing exercices, long walk, cold showers every mornings, those help for sure.

My big problem is, i didn't learn how to go through life and face all the adversities, i'm just starting now at almost 40yo.

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