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Old 11-04-2015, 08:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Reading Sober Part II: Free for All


Hi everyone --

This is Part II of the old Reading Sober thread (http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ing-sober.html).

If anyone who's interested in the process of reading in recovery or who simply has thoughts about something they've read will post about it here, and others will respond according to what they read into each other's ideas. I believe good reading can sustain our sense of sober selves, and our shared ideas can sustain one another.

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Thanks, Opi!
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I know, it's a terrifying thought. They really are like your babies on an emotional level. I will post pics. I haven't been able to bring myself to look at photos. I'll need to get them scanned. I need to do it...it's time :-)
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Only if you want, TS. If you feel up to it.

Yay, our new thread!

Courage, congrats. It's been a successful thread. Hope there are many more to come! I love this thread, and encourage any lurkers to jump on in and contribute.
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I admit, I'm stuck at the midway point in 'The Moviegoer.' I've stalled.

In the meantime, I've got 'The Complete Poems of Anne Sexton' sitting on my desk. It arrived today. I've not read her poetry before. I know she's confessional, and that she committed suicide, so, there's that.

I won't prejudge. I'm going to keep an open mind.
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LOL I love that I started this thread with a mangled sentence. Obviously my brain cells have not yet recovered. Or that's just an alcoholic making excuses -- maybe I was always a mangler.
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Hahahaha! Too funny, Courage I see it.

Good one

And forgive me, I'm punchy right now. Just woke up from a sugar induced coma/nap. All my sentences are clipped.
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Just got notified that a book I put on hold months ago at my library just came in
Blackout Remembering the Things I Drank to Forget by Hepola, Sarah
I will probably go pick it up tomorrow.
I waited forever for it too, there was a line of 40 something people trying to get hold of 4 copies when I register and now I see that there are 118 in line after me.
A good reminder that there are a LOT of women out there with a drinking problem.
I think I will print out a little list of our local resources for f2f support as well as the link to sober recovery and put it in that book when I return it.
I also will try to read and return it promptly.
I bet there are quite a few women in those 118 in line behind me who could use reading it more than I do.
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I think I will print out a little list of our local resources for f2f support as well as the link to sober recovery and put it in that book when I return it.
What a great idea!
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That's bizarre, Carlotta! I bought that book a couple of weeks ago - up to about page 50 and am absolutely loving it. I actually started typing up an extract on this thread this morning but it was too long - the book is so good I didn't know when to stop typing so I gave up. It's *so* well written.
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That's bizarre, Carlotta!
I ordered it at the public library that's why. As far as printing out the list? Why not?
I have found little prayers or kind notes in books before. Us library patrons sometimes leave little messages for each others anonymously.
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I love discovering little notes in library books.

Reminds me, I had a friend (he's been living in South Korea teaching English for a few years) who would leave books in secret places after reading them, for others to find.
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Just a little 2 minute Beagle interlude :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdnPYJmKo4s
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TS, it was cute I subscribed to that channel on YouTube.
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Today I'm reading some Grace Paley short stories, and also from Joyce Carol Oates' 'The Faith of a Writer.'
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Turns out I'm enjoying JCO's essays more than her fiction!
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Stevie Smith:

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Did he lack friends? Worse,
Think it was for his fault, not theirs?

He did not lack friends,
He had disciples he moulded to his ends.

Did he feel over-handicapped sometimes, yet must draw even?

How could he feel like this? He was the King of Heaven.

...find a sudden brightness one day in everything
Because a mood had been conquered, or a sin?

I tell you, he did not sin.

Do only human beings suffer from the irritation
I have mentioned? learn too that being comical
Does not ameliorate the desperation?

Only human beings feel this,
It is because they are so mixed.

All human beings should have a medal,
A god cannot carry it, he is not able.

A god is Manís doll, you ass,
He makes him up like this on purpose.
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A god is Man’s doll, you ass,
He makes him up like this on purpose.
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Here's the first paragraph of the Introduction section of JCO's book on writing.

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Writing is the most solitary of arts. The very act of withdrawing from the world in order to create a counter-world that is "fictitious" - "metaphorical" - is so curious, it eludes comprehension. Why do we write? Why do we read? What can be the possible motive for metaphor? Why have some of us, writers and readers both, made of the "counter-world" a prevailing culture in which, sometimes to the exclusion of the actual world, we can live? These are questions I've considered for much of my life, and I've never arrived at any answers that seemed to me final, utterly persuasive. It must be enough to concede, with Sigmund Freud in his late, melancholy essay Civilization and Its Discontents, that "beauty has no obvious use; nor is there any clear cultural necessity for it. Yet civilization could not do without it."
I'm not so happy as JCO with Freud's ideas on beauty and civilization as the answer to these questions. Or, maybe her definition is beauty is broad. I don't think I'm creating "beauty" when I write. Sometimes, maybe, but not usually. Art, yes, but not always beauty. Art, hopefully, anyway. Sometimes, I'm sure it's less than art, lol.
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I think it's just hit me ... whereas Joyce Carol Oates might write for "beauty," I think I write (and read) because the world is ugly. I understand it must be coming from the same place, the drive, and maybe she's past the point of counteracting the "ugly" and on toward the higher aims of her art.

I think I write because I'm alive and stuck here. Rather than jump from a roof, I just kind of drag things out, and write to stay alive.

That sounds horrible, but it isn't really.

It was also why I drank.

At least I'm not passively killing myself anymore.
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